+1 (!) On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Kay Schenk <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you SO much for this clarification! I really didn't understand what > we would be doing with > > http://incubator.apache.org/**projects/openofficeorg.html<http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html> > > so thanks for this. And...I'm still confused about it. > > OK, I've applied for Apache committer. Hopefully, I'll be able to figure > out what to do with the main page, at least filling in the now vacant areas. > > > On 06/23/2011 09:30 AM, Shane Curcuru wrote: > >> Since people have been wondering about the various websites, here's a >> brief explanation: >> >> * Apache OpenOffice.org Podling public homepage >> http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/<http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/> >> >> This is the official homepage of the Podling. It is typically what would >> become the official homepage of the Project once the project as a whole >> graduates from the incubator. It's the rough equivalent of >> http://www.openoffice.org/ as a homepage (although obviously the current >> technology and content are different). >> >> This should have general information about the project as a whole, which >> currently should include information about how the community is working >> to create an Apache project, along with the obvious pointers to all the >> other information about the project, various products, languages, >> everything else associated. >> >> You must be a committer to update this page, since it's part of the >> official Podling's website. >> >> * Podling status page >> http://incubator.apache.org/**projects/openofficeorg.html<http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html> >> >> This is where the Apache Incubator project tracks the incubation status >> of this podling. I.e., it's not for information about the Apache >> OpenOffice.org code or product; it's for information about how this >> community is working, and for tracking IP clearance issues and the like. >> It's essentially the metadata about how this community and this project >> works as we're all moving towards a hopeful graduation to an official >> Apache project. >> >> You must be a committer to update this page, since it's part of the >> official Incubator website. >> >> * Wiki pages >> Wiki pages are traditionally used for working areas for project >> communities to develop new plans, or sometimes for informal or >> supplementary documentation. A few projects use a wiki for their main >> documentation, although we typically prefer that the main docs and the >> main website are on the new Apache CMS system. But obviously, every >> project is allowed to organize it's work in it's own fashion, as long as >> the Apache infrastructure exists to support it. >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**Wiki+Home<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home> >> This is - for the time being - a place for project committers and others >> to organize a project plan for the podling. For the next several weeks, >> I imagine it will have a lot of planning going on, figuring out how to >> transition all the different kinds of services and sites and >> documentation on the current oo.o websites over to Apache infrastructure. >> >> This site simply requires a wiki login to edit, so it's definitely a >> place where we want all sorts of folks to help out. >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOODEV/**Infrastructure<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Infrastructure> >> >> I'd imagine that this is a working space for project committers to work >> on the specific structural issues around transitioning the code, various >> websites, and other stuff (wikis, forums, etc.) from it's existing home >> to a future Apache infrastructure hosted home. This site requires a CLA >> to contribute. >> >> >> Hopefully my longwinded explanation is helpful to someone! There's a LOT >> going on - both with the oo.o code itself, with the community (each of >> the communities, really), with the project, and with the podling as >> respects to rebooting in the Apache Way. >> >> - Shane >> >> P.S. I'm a Member of the ASF, and have signed up as a Mentor to help the >> podling and it's community work towards graduation. I'd love to be able >> to work on the code as well - I spent a decade working on Lotus 1-2-3 >> and really miss being able to work on end-user software - but that >> depends on my available time. 8-) >> >> >> >> >> Kay Schenk wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> You already are a contributor! You sent this email! >>>> >>>> Please join the Community Wiki - >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/**Wiki+Home<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Wiki+Home> >>>> >>>> >>> hmmmm...well OK, I didn't think I could actually edit anything! Well I'll >>> send the ICLA anyway. >>> >>> >>> We have started to outline plans there. No ICLA required for that Wiki. >>>> >>>> >>> OK...I was actually thinking of editing >>> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/<http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/> >>> >>> as opposed to the wiki. >>> >>> >>> Well, as someone who has been involved in the project for about 10 yrs >>>>> now...I LIKE your picture, but I wonder how it actually fleshes out >>>>> given >>>>> what we have to work with on the Apache site now. >>>>> >>>> I wonder also. >>>> >>>> >>> Well, I'm assuming that since we are now under the Apache >>> license/rules, the >>> intent is for more direct community participation than we've had in the >>> past, perhaps esp in regards to web site/wiki postings. So...I/we need to >>> look into this. Fro example, I'm assumign we no longer have a "community >>> council" though I'm sure we could designate a "manager" of sorts. it's >>> all >>> up to this group at the moment. >>> >>> >>> I am going to apply as an Apache contributor and hope I can at least >>>>> make >>>>> >>>> a >>>> >>>>> few small changes to the current OOo Apache site. Until we get a whole >>>>> >>>> scale >>>> >>>>> site redirect in place vis a vis DNS servers in the great stratosphere >>>>> >>>> (and >>>> >>>>> hopefully this will NOT happen until we've got more ported over -- or >>>>> >>>> maybe >>>> >>>>> not, see below), I think we should start cobbling together what we >>>>> can. I >>>>> really don't know what the rules are regarding jumps form the given >>>>> >>>> Apache >>>> >>>>> site to a secondary server, etc. >>>>> >>>> Here is where we are thinking of building the DNS map: >>>> >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/** >>>> Transition+Planning<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Transition+Planning> >>>> >>>> There is information from the last week that needs to be found and added >>>> here. I've no time yet. >>>> >>>> >>> OK...I'll take a closer look and try to review messages... gak! >>> >>> >>> Are you basically suggesting that the "new" site or the new entity >>>>> follow >>>>> the areas that you've outlined in your picture? In other words, if OOo >>>>> >>>> does >>>> >>>>> in fact evolve into an Apache project vs what it is now -- a vanilla >>>>> open >>>>> source project -- what does that mean in terms of governance and >>>>> >>>> structure. >>>> >>>>> And how does this translate, if at all, to an actual site. >>>>> >>>> It is certainly a possible framework to discuss components. Does this >>>> already match OOo well, or is it a new organization. >>>> >>>> >>> Well it matches it well "in concept" but not in actual content >>> totality. For >>> example, the "Support" area on OO.o, which is sort of omitted from your >>> current diagram, included not only user forums, but a lot of published >>> information. Anyway, all this can be fleshed out later. The BIGGEST >>> thing in >>> terms of inclusion are the native language projects. >>> >>> >>> I would like to hear more on this. To me, these are kind of separate >>>>> entities, yet now, in this new environment. We need to learn to retool >>>>> >>>> given >>>> >>>>> the Apache governance process to start with. And then ???? >>>>> >>>>> Obviously we need to do a lot more research on this new paradigm. >>>>> >>>> True. >>>> >>>> >>> OK, much to do...it's just confusing going from what you need an >>> Apache ID >>> for -- like the jumping off page, >>> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/**projects/openofficeorg.html<http://incubator.apache.org/projects/openofficeorg.html> >>> >>> and our starting site page.... >>> >>> http://incubator.apache.org/**openofficeorg/<http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/> >>> >>> vs the wiki. >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Jomar Silva <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure if this is the right place to present that, and seeing >>>>>> that I'm still learning The Apache Way, I'll try :) >>>>>> >>>>>> I've published a few days ago at my blog an idea about what I believe >>>>>> we could aim as the architecture of Apache OOo. I believe that this >>>>>> could help us to organize the project, tasks and teams, and I did it >>>>>> based on several other OOo architecture diagrams I've found online. >>>>>> >>>>>> The diagram can be found here >>>>>> (http://homembit.com/wp-**content/arch.png<http://homembit.com/wp-content/arch.png>) >>>>>> and just for the record I >>>>>> also wrote a blog post with my thoughts about the project >>>>>> ( >>>>>> >>>>>> http://homembit.com/2011/06/**what-i-think-about-apache-** >>>> openofficeorg-an-invitation-**to-the-collaborative-work.html<http://homembit.com/2011/06/what-i-think-about-apache-openofficeorg-an-invitation-to-the-collaborative-work.html> >>>> >>>> ). >>>>>> >>>>>> The text is also available in Brazilian Portuguese and as far as I >>>>>> know it was the first text about the project published in Brazil. I'm >>>>>> also working here in Brazil with some other friends that are already >>>>>> in this list to gather more BR developers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just my R$ 0,02 (which is by far less than the other currencies used >>>>>> to present people's cents on this discussion :)). >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> >>>>>> - Jomar >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >>>> --------------------------- >>>> >>>> MzK >>>>> >>>>> "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good >>>>> stuff, >>>>> that >>>>> 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and I'll just start over >>>>> >>>> kind >>>> >>>>> of attitude." >>>>> � "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> > -- > ------------------------------**------------------------------** > ------------ > MzK > > "He's got that New Orleans thing crawling all over him, that good stuff, > that 'We Are the Champions', to hell with the rest and > I'll just start over kind of attitude." > -- "1 Dead in the Attic", Chris Rose >
