On 8/13/2011 8:44 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
On Sun, 2011-08-14 at 01:28 +0100, Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Andy Brown<[email protected]>wrote:
Simon Phipps wrote:
On Sat, Aug 13, 2011 at 7:45 PM, Eike Rathke<[email protected]> wrote:
Team OOo paid bursaries for individuals that went to OOoCons and
Hackfest, paid hardware for buildbots and pootle servers, paid students
for the OOo internship. Do you think that Apache will cover those
expenses?
It's worth noting that these grants were always made by Team OOo (and
indeed
by FrODev) at their sole discretion and without any ability to officially
direct them from the OOo project itself. I find it hard to see how Apache
would be able to unilaterally shut down an independent, complementary
activity like this.
As to Shane's point about referring to some other list; presumably, as in
other instances of this, we'd need to have a proposal formulated before
doing that, and hence the topic is still appropriate here.
S.
Seems to me there are two options open.
1) The grants are made to Apache with no strings attached.
2) The businesses stop receiving donations for OpenOffice.org.
For either someone that has worked with the organizations that is a member
here needs to contact them and see what they can/ are willing to do.
I don't follow that reasoning. If (hypothetically) I want to pay for you to
go to Bermuda for a vacation, it's between you and me and no business of the
Bermuda Tourist Commission. So while I can see the hardware donations will
have to end, why is it anything to do with this project if (also
hypothetically) Team OOo wants to pay for you to go to ApacheCon in
Vancouver where you've got a paper on AOOo accepted, or wants to pay a
student to work on AOOo code for the summer?
S.
Profits from sales of printed copies of ODFAuthors (formerly OOoAuthors)
books are held by the not-for-profit organisation[1] that publishes
those books. The money from OpenOffice.org user guide sales is
designated to "be used to benefit the community". This could include
things like costs of conference attendance, copies of books for display
at conferences, copies of books (including translations) for
distribution where cost is an issue for the recipient, possibly payment
to writers of docs on specific topics... and other things I haven't
thought of while writing this note.
Indeed, this case sounds like a great thing that you're doing - and is
also something that neither I (as VP, Brand Management) nor the PPMC
would even have any standing to ask you to change things. Note that we
always love it when book authors choose to donate part of their
royalties to related projects, but we don't ask for that.
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/faq/#booktitle
Apache policies only apply to Apache projects and marks. So any
fundraising done outside isn't an issue, and any fundraising that's not
directly using Apache marks is not an issue for Apache. It's only
fundraising branded for "OpenOffice.org" that we will need to deal with.
Personally, I don't see any reason that we (i.e. the ASF) have anything
to say about any past funds raised for "OpenOffice.org"; whoever
organized those donations should continue to manage them by whatever
criteria they started with. But we do need to work on a plan to ensure
that Apache policies are respected for both this podling and for our
marks going forward.
Thus, a basic description of who and what is doing how much fundraising,
and in particular, specific links to their pages are needed, so we can
see what areas we might need to request changes in.
- Shane
As Simon suggests, any such disbursement of funds is between us and the
recipient, as the money does not go to or through any OpenOffice.org
account, assuming such a thing exists.
[1] Friends of OpenDocument, Inc., http://friendsofopendocument.org/
--Jean
