To me, this sounds like a good path to follow. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:13 PM, drew <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:56 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:45 PM, drew <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:28 -0400, Rob Weir wrote: > >> >> On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:19 PM, drew <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> > On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 14:15 -0400, drew wrote: > >> >> >> On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 19:23 +0200, Christian Grobmeier wrote: > >> >> >> > Hello, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > we have spoken much - now its time to outline what needs to be > done. I > >> >> >> > have started a Wiki page with that: > >> >> >> > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOODEV/Changes+integrate+the+forums+into+the+AOOo+project > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Lets bring the talk into shapes. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks for that Christian. > >> >> > > >> >> > sorry - a double post. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> My only real question is regarding the moderators needing to be > part of > >> >> >> the PMC - I'm not at all sure I see that need. > >> >> > > >> >> > just to be clear - although I would encourage mod's to be in the > PMC my > >> >> > question is about making it a hard requirement. > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> I'd think of it this way: > >> >> > >> >> We don't want a stranger to walk off the street and be immediately a > >> >> moderator, right? > >> > > >> > Of course not - why do you think folks would want that? > >> > > >> >> It requires some level of vetting. > >> > > >> > Sure - > >> > > >> >> A moderator can > >> >> ban users, > >> > > >> > Not necessarily - there is the a very granular rights system in play - > >> > not everyone with the moderator colors on their user name have the > same > >> > access levels. Hagar has a higher level then most, if not all, of the > >> > other moderators for instance. > >> > > >> > > >> >> they can kick real people off the boards if they do not > >> >> like their behavior. So it is a position of authority. A Moderator > is > >> >> an important role with real influence. They, through their > decisions, > >> >> help set the tone of the forum and represent the "public face" of > >> >> Apache OpenOffice. > >> > > >> > So, it is very easy to setup a system where a 'standard' moderator can > >> > do x but not y - in this case can not actually ban a user - they see > >> > spam, they remove it, which automatically makes the post visible to > >> > admins and the admin's can handle the actual banning, if so warranted. > >> > > >> > >> This is good to know. That essentially creates super-moderators and > >> normal moderators. Is there anything else like this? I mean is there > >> a short list of permission sets like this, or is it really an eclectic > >> mix of permissions that have been assigned to individuals over time > >> and few moderators actually have the same identical permissions? > > > > no - normally this is all done at the group level - I gave you the one > > exception I know off (understand my memory can be faulty at times) - > > again when I say something is possible it is a mistake to believe this > > means it is being widely used, it only means that it is possible. > > > > > > Thanks. > > So would something like this work: > > Site admins must be PPMC members, appointed by PPMC, with actual site > admin assignment made by Infra. In other words, only Infra has the > skeleton key. > > Forum admins must be also be PPMC members, appointed by PPMC. The > actual rights assignment could be done by a site admin, not involving > Infra? > > Moderators/Volunteers selected by the forum participants: > > 1) According to written rules which are publicly posted and approved by the > PPMC > > 2) Rules shall allow any PPMC member or Mentor to become a moderator > or admin on request > > 3) Changes to such rules require approval by the PPMC > > 4) No PPMC approval required for new modertors/volunteers > > 5) But no moderator has ban rights unless also a PPMC member > > That avoids any PPMC review except for new Admins, and for the > Admin/Moderator rules which your draft yourselves among the forum > volunteers > > > > //drew > > > > <snip> > > > > > -- --Matt
