This is not just about oversight. For example, what if we had a policy that said:
1) The public cannot see the Calc source code 2) Calc developers can read and write the Calc source code 3) But we'll create a special role so PPMC members and ASF Members can also see the source code Would that fly? What if we did that to a mailing list, a wiki, an issue tracker or any other project resource? (Ignoring for the fact that what is being proposed does not prevent the creation of an additional, 4th private forum that PPMC members/ASF Members could not see). -Rob On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: > The proposed new role that is being considered as available to any Apache OOo > PPMC Member or Apache Foundation Member is a modification of the Volunteer > role. (Yes there are more flavors above that.) > > General User access, the same as any user > Read access to the 3 "private" forums that are in the Admin Forums cluster > Write access to the Site-Governance forum > > The last two don't happen with ordinary users. > > Of course registration for the forum is required and they'd have to know who > is coming from here. Any of our PPMC members over there could carry that > message. > > There is talk about making other things visible, such as logs (which are > extensive). > > This strikes me as sufficient for oversight, at least on entry into the > incubator with us. There are more details, and Apache Infra has strong > requirements for anyone who will be working at the server level. > > - Dennis > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Weir [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 12:12 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Proposal: Forum integration > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Rory O'Farrell <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Sep 2011 14:51:36 -0400 >> Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: >>> If anyone can explain better "Volunteers", that would be great. Do >>> they have any extra rights? Or is it just the case that some of what >>> Apache would call "contributors" are given the title "Volunteer" while >>> other, perhaps less active contributors are not given that title? >> >> Volunteers get a different colour code on the Forum User Name and a tag >> saying that they are Volunteers. In addition, they get read only access to >> the Delete thread so they can monitor what is being held in the three day >> delete period, and read/write access to the Forum issues and Governance >> threads so that they can raise questions which are visible to the other >> Volunteers/Mods etc. Because they have reached a "trusted" status, their >> opinions may receive more weight with other Volunteers/Mods than those of >> the random User. >> > > In your experience is it necessary to provide this title and reward in > order to retain these volunteers? I mean, beside whatever > satisfaction they get from answering user questions (which I assume is > the primary reason they are there)? > > The more typical thing at Apache is for anyone to be able to read and > comment things akin to "Forum issues and Governance threads". Anyone > off the street can come in and comment on anything we do on the list. > They can even send notes to our private list. I know this is not the > only way in the world such things can work, but it is the norm here. > > Maybe to motivate it, consider this. If someone is not a volunteer, > but is one quantum of merit less than that needed to be a "Volunteer", > and an important governance issue comes up, does it really make sense > for their views not to be heard? Are they really not trusted at 999 > responses but magically become trusted at 1000? Or, in the real > world, do you have new people with great insight, and old people with > bad habits, and every mix in between? I'd urge opening up and letting > any registered user comment on governance issues. Toss out spammers, > yes. Toss out off thread conversations, absolutely. Fling the > flames, please. Ban the repeat offenders, absolutely. But consider > that good ideas and good advice can come from anywhere, often from > where you least expect it. > > -Rob > >> -- >> Rory O'Farrell <[email protected]> >> > >
