On 10/11/2011 03:51 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
On Oct 11, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
Shane, just to clarify a bit. As far as I know, the PPMC does not
have the keys, as it were, to the live OpenOffice.org site.
Apparently someone does, and some touch ups are made, but it is all
sort of behind the scenes and, um, not very transparent, especially
since there is no archive or repository that the PPMC has
visibility into.
Marcus is the only one I know of who has made changes to the existing
OOo websites. I don't know if he has access to the site template.
Part of the "branding" problem on the current site is the the kenai
templates, which all sites on kenai are apparently subject to -- include
the standard Oracle footers etc. I could be wrong about this but I don't
think so. So, no amount of dinkering can get away from that. This is
still Oracle equip with an Oracle product running on it (kenai) and
thus, unless and until we move the site "en masse" or redirect it to
Apache equipment, this stays.
Yes, this had made me quite uncomfortable for a while, but, well, what
can we do? The dns enries may have changed to Apache but the actual
equipment? no. Not a good situation in my mind.
A rude alternative would be to dump the whol site somewhere else, with
whatever we've got going now, and ye,s some thigns will break but major
content will still be in tact.
If infra gets the site Dave and sue "web worthy", we can take a look at
the viability of this kind of move.
If Apache Infra makes progress on the JIRA issues I mentioned then I
think that we can gain traction on moving the openoffice.org static
website very soon. I'll flesh out a proposal on the CWiki in the next
few days based on the various content we have accumulated.
Keepin my fingers crossed. Really, I think the mis-match on this (the
continual Oracle branding and the site itself) is a source of a lot of
confusion at this point.
However, there does need to be some lofting around what is a
roadmap here, and how does the existing live site be staged (and
users informed) for transition of the properties under
OpenOffice.org.
I'm thinking on it. I am trusting that others with their hands on
the knobs and dials will also speak up on what they can do by way
of preparation for staging, and then staging.
One of the JIRA issues was for a staging server for
www.openoffice.org. If that is present MANY hands are enabled as the
Apache CMS will work directly on the site.
Regards, Dave
- Dennis
-----Original Message----- From: Shane Curcuru
[mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011
13:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Status of
migration of OOo domains?
Heh, indeed, while I so completely disagree with Rob's style here
that I don't even know where to start, he does have a point in that
things get done in projects by people who actually do them.
Wearing my mentor hat, my primary job is to encourage the
community around this project to grow in a healthy manner and do
the things themselves. So from my mentor hat perspective, I'm
really not a very good example in what I do. As a mentor, there
are things where you should "do as I say, not as I do", because
part of the point of being a mentor is to help *you* (as in the
community) actually start doing things.
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On the other hand, wearing my VP, Brand hat, I strongly urge the
PPMC to take action on my email, especially the points about
ensuring some sort of branding updates are done on existing
openoffice.org websites. In particular, I'm concerned about the
non-code areas - fundraising, leadership, marketing, and the like.
I'd really like to see the PPMC taking ownership and working out
how they want to manage the transition in ownership from all those
web properties, but starting to at least make some updates in place
reflecting the future plans for the sites.
If not, then yes, I will eventually get to it, and I will do the
work myself, unilaterally, as VP, Brand (i.e. not as a mentor on
this project).
It's inappropriate for the project to spend so long with so much
"orphan" content on oo.o sites, wherein it's kinda Oracle's (and
is perceived as dead by more people each day), and it's kinda ours
(since we have a transfer of the domains and marks). We need
action on showing the rest of the world where we're planning to go
with this great big brand and chunk of content we've inherited.
- Shane
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