On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Shane Curcuru <[email protected]> wrote: > OK, so there was the Community Council and the ESC, as well as the "leads" > and participants on an array of Projects that worked on specific areas of > OOo code, websites, outreach, conferences, everything. > > Since all these organizations effectively were tied to Sun/Oracle, has > Oracle officially updated or dissolved those organizations explicitly? Or > was that part of the transition from Oracle to the ASF that wasn't covered? >
Apache is a reboot. The previous organization is formally irrelevant. There is no need for anyone to formally dissolve the old structures. When we made an incubation proposal that became the project's new charter. > I'm just trying to understand what some of the other previous expectations > around OOo governance and the brand were, so we can better explain what the > new governance structure is (i.e., this PPMC and the Apache Way) and how we > (and others) should refer to the OOo brand now. > I think the old structures were universally derided and caused much discontent, leading in part to the Novell fork and then to LibreOffice. I see no benefit to dredging this up again. No one is advocating replicating the former project structures. -Rob > - Shane > > On 10/12/2011 4:13 PM, Donald Harbison wrote: >> >> Well, you can take a look at http://projects.openoffice.org/ ...and see >> the >> structure of work division by project and the names of people who were >> associated with those projects in the past. >> >> There was an Engineering Steering Committee (ESC) where the Sun developer >> staff met with volunteers, but it was largely a Sun/Oracle led affair. >> See: >> http://council.openoffice.org/esc/ >> "The responsibility of the ESC is as follows: >> >> - Provide advice on technical implementations in case of conflicting >> interests. >> >> It is not the forum for making technical decisions in general, this >> remains >> in the responsibility of the project leads. >> >> - >> >> Their advice can be overruled by the Community Council." >> >> Since all the project leads were Sun/Oracle employees, the ESC was >> intended >> to take input, but not necessarily follow it. >> >> TDF evolved it to look like: >> >> http://blog.documentfoundation.org/2011/05/23/the-document-foundation-announces-the-members-of-the-engineering-steering-committee/ >> >> >> The Community Council charter is here: >> http://council.openoffice.org/councilcharter12.html ... >> >> Juergen Schmidt may be able to provide more insight here when he can catch >> up to the list as he was a member of the CC. >> >> On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Shane Curcuru<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> What's the best place to (quickly) learn just who was who and what groups >>> did what in the previous OOo life at Oracle? >>> >>> I see things like Community council and Engineering steering council and >>> lots of projects, but it's not clear yet how they were supposed to be >>> related or helped to manage each other. >>> >>> It might be helpful to work on some simple explanations/diagrams of how >>> OOo >>> used to work, and then show how the new Apache OOo is working. >>> >>> I don't really think this will help. We have the project wiki established >> >> with a proposed structure. What we haven't done so well is to produce a >> 'Welcome, start here' FAQ and so forth. Dennis offered the first blog >> entry >> on that way back in July. >> >> I will offer to update that as soon as I get my credentials to Roller from >> infra. >> >> /don >> >> >>> - Shane >>> >> >
