On Oct 17, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Rob Weir wrote: > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Dave Fisher <[email protected]> wrote: >> I like your proposal. I have some comments inline. >> >> On Oct 16, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> I'm making a proposal now to shut down the legacy OOo mailing lists >>> and direct the existing subscribers to one of the AOOo mailing lists. >>> I realize that this is not the solution that many of us would prefer, >>> but I believe that it is the best way forward that anyone is willing >>> to volunteer to lead. Please delight me by proving me wrong on this, >>> by objecting this this proposal *and volunteering to do an alternative >>> migration*. But this approach is more graceful than the default, if >>> we do nothing, of just having the lists just go down one day and not >>> recover. >>> >>> Proposal: >>> >>> If not one objects and offers to lead a different transition plan, in >>> one week I will do the following: >>> >>> 1) Make a list of all public legacy OOo mailing lists that have >>> received at least 5 non-spam email in 2011. >>> >>> 2) Publish that list on the wiki, along with : >>> >>> a) the language predominately spoken on the list, if not English >>> >>> b) the recommended AOOo list that existing subscribers should be pointed to. >> >> c) the list's OOo/Kenai project. >> > > No objections to having that info on the wiki, but I don't see where > that info helps with the migration. > >> At the end of the week the ML list should be incorporated in the OOo >> properties that Dennis and I are "noodling" over. (Language is another >> property.) >> >>> 3) I will then draft, in English, a post to be send to the above >>> lists. The post will talk about the overall effort of the migration >>> to Apache, the specific migration of the mailing lists, and invite the >>> subscribers to stay informed and to participate in the new Apache >>> lists. Information on how to subscribe will be provided. A shutdown >>> date, for the legacy lists will be included, two weeks from the >>> posting date. >> >> It would be good to co-ordinate this message with a general timeline for the >> OOo migration. We should be clear about what is NOT being migrated and what >> is possible if the community disagrees.. >> > > Great. If we have a good statement on overall migration, we can > include that. Or if it is still "work in progress" I can link to a > wiki page where the latest info can be found. But there is no > technical requirement for us to figure everything out before we move > forward on independent pieces that we do understand. We've done that > already in other areas, like source code, issue tracking, and soon the > forums. And in general, it is to our benefit to move ahead with the > pieces we do understand, especially communications vehicles, so we're > not caught in a bad situation if the legacy servers unexpectedly > became unavailable. It is prudent to ensure that we have the main > means of communication solidly on Apache servers sooner rather than > later.
It will certainly be a work in progress, the more the ML changes are put in the context of the total migration the better. > >>> >>> 4) I will invite volunteers to translate the draft post into other >>> languages. >>> >>> 5) I, and whatever volunteers wish to help, will send the posts to the >>> lists. >>> >>> 6) The note will be repeated a week later. >>> >>> 7) After two weeks we request via Oracle that the Kenai admins close >>> the lists, per: >>> >>> http://kenai.com/projects/help/pages/ManageProject#MailingLists >> >> In the three to four weeks that it will take to get to step (7) AOOo and >> Apache Infra should have control over the openoffice.org MX records. An >> easier alternative would be to decide what MX services we want to continue >> on openoffice.org and do the MX migration at this point. Even if it will >> bounce and/or forward email. >> > > I'd be opposed to any automatic forwarding of list traffic or > indiscriminate transferring of subscriptions from the legacy lists. > Several of the legacy lists are are over-run by spammers. An earlier > poster said they get 80-120 moderation requests per day. We have a > good opportunity to "clean house" and to leave the spammers behind. Let's not forget that there are a number of people who make use of their @openoffice.org email address. We owe it to these people to give them some time to react if these are being dropped. There are also implications with BZ - at least in bug ownership and accounts. We've "bikeshedded" on these addresses, we now need a plan. If someone cares enough about openoffice.org personal email addresses we'll need volunteers to work out the details. Regards, Dave > >> >>> >>> -Rob >> >>
