On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote: > The stated [DISCUSS] expiration of midnight, today, 2011-10-17T24:00Z has > arrived. > > The discussion has quieted and there appears to be no objection to conducting > a [VOTE] ratifying the PPMC acceptance of the proposal, with the modest > adjustments that were made. > > On a different thread, it was observed that, since there is no further > discussion, and there was no opposition, the proposal should be considered > ratified, a sort of lazy consensus: > <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-ooo-dev/201110.mbox/%3cCAP-ksogkFzGgLB0ALY=vjap7q3d2pefucc-v1m3+rpoxuo7...@mail.gmail.com%3e>. > > I want to be clear, that this [DISCUSS] was not for voting but to review the > proposal in preparation for voting. Although it might be assumed that there > is no objection to the proposal's adoption by the PPMC, that was not the > question. > > I am also concerned that the OpenOffice.org Forum operators are being denied > an important ceremonial act on our part. > > Since it would take as long to introduce a lazy consensus, now, as to > actually conduct the [VOTE], I intend to go ahead with the [VOTE] once I come > up with an appropriate wording and message. Then it will all be clear, won't > it? >
Actually, I object to the ceremony of a poorly motivated vote.. There were no objections to the proposal. The forum volunteers should go ahead and implement the proposal. Your use of the term "ratify" is meaningless since there is no such thing at Apache. Your introductory note also talked about "the commitment of the Apache OO.o Podling to implementation of the proposal...". This is also meaningless. I commit to nothing. Those who volunteer to do the work are the ones who do the work. The proposal didn't ask the PPMC to do anything. -Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christian Grobmeier [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 00:09 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] Review of OpenOffice.org Forums Agreement > > 2011/10/13 Jürgen Schmidt <[email protected]>: >> On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Wondering why the discussion is on the wiki as comments? >> >> Juergen > > There was discussion on this list, onn the forum, on the wiki and then > back on the forum. These wiki comments are meanwhile outdated, you can > basically ignore them, except you have an "historical interest". But > then you should also read the forums. > > > Cheers > > >> >> >> >>> >>> Once discussion of the Draft Proposal has quieted by that time or later, >>> discussion can stop. If it is then evident that a ratifying ballot on >>> acceptance of the Draft Proposal by the Apache OO.o Podling can be held, a >>> separate [VOTE] will be initiated on the ooo-dev list for that purpose. >>> Ratification of the Draft Proposal will establish the commitment of the >>> Apache >>> OO.o Podling to implementation of the proposal and honoring its provisions >>> for >>> governance of the OpenOffice.org Forums as part of the Apache OO.o Podling. >>> >>> GUIDELINES >>> >>> The Draft Proposal represents the current thinking of the OpenOffice.org >>> Forums operators. PLEASE DO NOT EDIT THE DRAFT PROPOSAL page. >>> >>> Instead, discuss suggestions and modifications on this list and await any >>> changes to be made as the OpenOffice.org Forum operators choose to offer >>> improvements in response to the discussion, including based on ooo-dev >>> suggestions of their own. >>> >>> When it is concluded that the Draft Proposal is in a final condition >>> suitable >>> for ratification, the OpenOffice.org Forum operators will notify us of >>> their >>> readiness (repeatedly if there is still ongoing discussion and >>> improvement). >>> >>> - Dennis >>> >> > > > > -- > http://www.grobmeier.de >
