On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net> wrote: > > On Nov 27, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Rob Weir wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote: >>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton >>> <dennis.hamil...@acm.org> wrote: >>>> Redirects are easy once the live-site is our site and it can be figured >>>> out how to add HTML <head> meta tags that the Apache CMS allows. Also, >>>> there is always the good old .htaccess scripting of a redirect (again, >>>> working around the CMS I suppose). >>>> >>>> It should be done on at least on ooo-site even if it has no effect until >>>> cut-over. >>>> >>>> There is no reason to break a link on speculation when it is easy to avoid >>>> breaking it, or having the break be temporary until cut-over. (I'd bet >>>> the page has been search-indexed and the "your download is starting, thank >>>> you for downloading" pages link to donation/contribution points.) >>>> >>> >>> Dennis, I have absolutely no objections to any redirect rules that you >>> are volunteering to implement. I, however, do not think they are >>> worth while, so I will not be spending any time on them. >>> >> >> And something else to consider: without actual data your chances of >> guessing what are the significant incoming links are is practically >> nil. Since we have not enabled Google Analytics on the site, we >> continue to lack such data. >> >> Some of the external links are to the kind of content we are already >> throwing out. >> >> For example: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html points to >> http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/sissl_license.html >> >> It is entirely irrelevant to our work at Apache, but do we keep it for >> historical reasons? >> >> If we're not willing to enable GA, then our next best bet would be to >> monitor the httpd logs for 404 errors. A regular report of page not >> found errors, sorted by URL and indicating the referrer, will give us >> a targeted list of places were a redirect will help. Otherwise we're >> not going to have much luck with the **2.6 million** external links >> that come into openoffice.org pages. > > The plan is to redirect with wildcards to specific pages. See my other email. > > I am thinking we will do that type of redirect to most of the legacy > openoffice.org site. It might make sense to ask Apache Infra for a third > Apache CMS tree called ooo-archive and move all of the legacy that is either > hopelessly out of date, currently without a people to support it, or > irrelevant to OOo under Apache. > > I want to be careful about this as a balancing act of displacing users will > need to be considered. Each page that is a target of a redirect will need to > be carefully edited to allow that most people arriving at that page will feel > lost. They won't be getting what they expect and it might not be in their > native language. >
How will you know if you are doing this well or poorly? If, due to a typographical error on a redirect rule, how would you know if you "lost" 10,000 pages? That's my concern. We're trying to migrate content with 2.6 million external links to it based on eyeballing a list of redirects. That might get you 90% of the way there. But 10% is still a lot of errors. Maybe you can get Infra@ to archive http logs for the week before and the week after the migration? -Rob > Regards, > Dave > > >> >> >>> -Rob >>> >>>> Finally, it is my understanding that cut-over of the static site is now at >>>> our option and the AOOo has reasonable discretion with regard to timing. >>>> It seems that cut-over can be done as soon as ooo-site is ready enough to >>>> be the new live site. And the subdomains don't all have to cut over >>>> together and everything will still work. A progressive, rolling cut-over >>>> might even be in the cards. >>>> >>>> - Dennis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robw...@apache.org] >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 10:11 >>>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>>> Subject: Re: [WWW][Policy] Participate! - Rewriting >>>> contributing.openoffice.org >>>> >>>> On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> [ ... ] >>>> >>>>> How about if we don't hear any major objections by say, Dec. 1, I'll go >>>>> ahead and make this change (redirect contributing/index.html to this). >>>>> Nothing is in concrete, we can always go back or do something else. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I don't know if we need to do an actual HTTP-level redirect. I >>>> don't think there are many external links to the OOo contributing >>>> page. It would be sufficient if we just change the link to point to >>>> the project contributing page. >>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> MzK >>>>> >>>>> "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged >>>>> by the way its animals are treated." >>>>> -- Mohandas Gandhi >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> > >
