On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:48 AM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Kay Schenk <kay.sch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 3:41 PM, Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Dave Fisher <dave2w...@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi All,
> >> >
> >> > There are several parts to the migration of openoffice.org website.
> One
> >> area that needs attention is rewriting contributing.openoffice.org to
> fit
> >> ASF and AOO policies. (Policies may need to be written and discussed.)
> >> >
> >> > On the current main www.openoffice.org page, contributing is accessed
> >> from the fifth button - "I want to participate in OpenOffice.org"
> >> >
> >> > Volunteers are needed to take leadership of and contribute to this
> >> rewrite. Any committer can do this work.
> >> >
> >> > I suggest that a directory be created within the podling site called
> >> "contributing". Within that directory there should be an index.mdtext
> and
> >> as many subpages as required. Once completed, I can do an svn copy or
> move
> >> to the ooo-site tree.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Before actually doing the work, let me propose a radical
> >> simplification. AOO is organizationally flat, so we don't have all
> >> the destination sub-projects of the legacy OOo website.
> >>
> >> 1) The "I want to participate" link on the main page goes to a single
> >> new page. No need to be at contribute.openoffice.org. In fact, I
> >> think I'd avoid that since to participate != to contribute.
> >>
> >
> > Rob--
> >
> > I'm not following you here. It's true that of course we are not going to
> > follow the former "project" hierarchy (lucky for use the "Projects" tab
> is
> > now gone on the setup site) that existed within OpenOffice.org, but I'm
> not
> > understanding what you’re trying to say about the existing "participate "
> > link on the home page that transfers to contributing.html.
> >
> > In the legacy OOo sense, the "participate" link jumped to a "contribute"
> > page, contribute.html, which listed a few ways to
> contribute/participate,
> > so in this sense, I think it meant the same thing (?).
> >
> > I think you are making a distinction between participating and
> contributing
> > (?) based on ???? actual participation -- coding, etc -- vs monetary
> > contributions?
> >
>
> In English, participate means to take part in. Contribute means to
> give something (including money, time, resources, etc.) for a
> charitable purpose. So anyone who participates in the project is also
> contributing to the project via their time.. But not everyone who
> contributes is also participating. For example, if you just donate
> via Paypal, then you are contributing, but not participating.
>
OK, thanks for the clarification. I think in the legacy OOo parlance, these
terms perhaps were not distinguished in this way.
>
> >
> >> 2) The new page has a simple couple of paragraphs. We welcome
> >> volunteers of all sorts. These are the functional areas where we need
> >> help (taken from those already listed). If you want more information
> >> you can browser our project website (the podling site) here, or send
> >> a note to our project list at ooo-dev.i.a.o.
> >>
> >
> > OK, in this sense, perhaps the existing contributing.html can be used
> with
> > changes.
> > Again, I'm confused about your initial distinctions I guess.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> I would not advise them to subscribe initially. Depending on what
> >> they are interested in we might point them to a specific list
> >> (ooo-marketing) or to the forums. I think the full ooo-dev list can
> >> be overwhelming for newbies.
> >>
> >> With this approach, the PPMC would be responsible for following up on
> >> these incoming volunteer notices and helping to orient the new
> >> volunteers. In a sense we would become mini-mentors.
> >>
> >> As for the fundraising link, I don't know where to put that. I
> >> certainly would not expect to see it behind a "I want to participate"
> >> link. Maybe a new tab labeled "Contribute" and then have that link to
> >> the relevant Apache page?
> >>
> >> -Rob
> >>
> >> > The reason I suggest doing the work on the podling site is due to
> hidden
> >> overhead when using the Apache CMS Bookmarklet. Each user does a
> complete
> >> checkout of a site's tree. The podling site is small and the ooo-site is
> >> very huge. Using the podling site will be much more satisfying for
> >> volunteers.
> >> >
> >> > HTH, but I also have a full time job...
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Dave
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
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> > MzK
> >
> > "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged
> > by the way its animals are treated."
> > -- Mohandas Gandhi
> >
>
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