Hi Dennis, One more try. I may have been somewhat dense earlier today.
On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > I'm not talking about what www.openoffice.org does now, but what it will do > when it serves up ooo-site.apach.org. Isn't that the plan? The plan is twofold. (1) For ooo-site.apache.org to do what www.openoffice.org does now with exceptions - it doesn't do servlets and logins related to individual openoffice.org accounts. (2) For openoffice.org to continue to do what it does now. > > I know that what www.openoffice.org does now. What http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists does now is return Kenai's version of a 404. ooo-site does the same. We don't need to redirect that url. We should be redirecting /servlets/* in ooo-site, it is not a one-to-one map to openoffice.org/projects/<project>/lists. The servlet urls look like this. contact.html:24: <a href="/nonav/servlets/HelpTOC">Get Help</a> section.</li> mail_list.html:91: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=users">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:102: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=announce">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:119: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=discuss">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:131: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=social">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:155: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=dev">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:165: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allfeatures">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:175: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allcvs">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:185: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allbugs">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:194: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allhg">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:195: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=allhg">Browse archives</a></td> mail_list.html:205: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-announce">Search</a></td> mail_list.html:216: <td class="alt6"><a href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-discuss">Search</a></td> project_tools.html:3: <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectHome">Project home</a></div> project_tools.html:4: <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership</a></div> project_tools.html:7: <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements</a></div> project_tools.html:8: <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing lists</a> </div> project_tools.html:11: <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Documents & files</a></div> project_tools.html:15: <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectIssues">Issue tracker</a></div> index.html:190: <li class="doc_tip" id="join" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"><a href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMembershipRequest";>Join the project</a></li> index.html:191: <li class="doc_tip" id="mailinglists" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"><a href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList";>Mailing Lists</a></li> index.html:310: <li class="doc_tip" id="searchproj" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"><a href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/Search?resultsPerPage=40&scope=project";>Search the project data</a></li> listrules.html:82:http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDownloadList listrules.html:151:http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join project_tools.html:3: <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectHome">Project home</a> </div> project_tools.html:4: <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership</a> </div> project_tools.html:7: <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements</a> </div> project_tools.html:8: <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing lists</a> </div> project_tools.html:11: <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Documents & files</a> </div> project_tools.html:16: <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectIssues">Issue tracker</a> </div> If someone would explain how to map these to functions on openoffice.org/projects/ we can make the changes to the ooo-site hrefs with redirects if needed. Is this better? Regards, Dave > The only speculation I *had* to make is that ooo-site.apache.org is going to > be served up as www.openoffice.org, since it hasn't happened yet. > > I know you are frustrated about this. I am too. A common set of tacit > understandings is missing. And getting to an explicit understandings seems > to be beyond our reach. Sorry. > > - Dennis > > PS: Showing me curl responses for 404s and 302s doesn't help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 13:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! > > On Dec 22, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> All I know is that >> >> http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content related to >> the lists that are still operating. > >> >> http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404. >> >> That's not a speculation. > > Go to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists and tell me what you get. > > wave@minotaur:~$ curl http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists > > > <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" > "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> > <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";> > <head> > > .... > > <div class="contentPadding"> > <h2 class="pageTitle">Not Found</h2> > <!-- This file lives in public/404.html --> > <div style="padding: 10px 0 10px 0;"> > The page you were looking for doesn't exist.<br/> > You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved. > </div> > <a href="#" onclick="history.back(); return false;"><span > class="bullet">«</span> back</a> > | > <a href="/">home <span class="bullet">»</span></a> > </div> > > ... > </body> > </html> > > You will then see that ooo-site does not need any redirection for these urls. > Users do not have any expectation other than a 404. > >> >> So if you are only redirecting http://openoffice.org/ (or its index page) to >> http://www.openoffice.org, no deep linking into openoffice.org will >> redirect, is that right? > > KENAI does this redirect, not us. We do NOT need to redirect anything in the > http://openoffice.org/projects/ path. We are leaving that legacy behind. > >> And only http://www.openoffice.org/ ... URLs will see ooo-site.apache.org/ >> ... paths, is that that the idea? > > They will have the same IP. > >> >> OK, so that explains why there is no worry about recursion if >> ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ redirects to >> openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ as Joe suggests. I prefer that part of >> it also. > > There is no worry because we just don't need it. I won't ask Joe to do it. > >> >> I know how to do that on my own web sites, whether using .htaccess or meta >> elements in page headers. For ooo-site, not so much. > > For the future, meta elements should work just fine. > > >> >> And I am now going off list for a time while I sort out other work. > > Me too. A lot to TRY to convince you that there is no worry and no need. > > Regards, > Dave > >> >> - Dennis >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:42 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >> >> >> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> >>> Now I'm even more confused. >>> >>> Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages or >>> will it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and 404, >>> since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there? >> >> No it won't redirect. It only redirects at the first level. >> >> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ does not exist at Kenai it >> gives a 404. Nothing to worry about. >> >> The pattern is http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ >> >> Please try these urls in your browser before you speculate. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> >> >>> >>> - Dennis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>> >>> >>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>> >>>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org" >>>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing >>>> is about. We're doing "www.openoffice.org", >>>> aren't we? >>> >>> Dennis missed our discussion of this trick. >>> >>> If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects >>> them to http://www.openoffice.org/. >>> >>> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues: >>> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe >>> to the old lists.) >>> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off. >>> - openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access. >>> >>> There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. These >>> will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that should >>> stop us from migration. >>> >>> I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. I've >>> asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to >>> http://openoffice.org/projects/ and >>> http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. would be welcome additions. CTR >>> people! >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected]; 'Joe Schaefer' <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM >>>>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>>>> >>>>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the >>>>> lists that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: >>>>> >>>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>. >>>>> >>>>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if >>>>> already subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page. >>>>> Also, the archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly >>>>> form. This is how one can read the list using a browser and there is >>>>> even a way to post to the list via the web interface. >>>>> >>>>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement >>>>> and use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely >>>>> on this, including TJ for administrative functions. >>>>> >>>>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over of >>>>> the web site. There is no reminder or announcement about that. >>>>> >>>>> - Dennis >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59 >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>>>> >>>>> Why does one have to do with the other? >>>>> We are not cutting over the MX record for >>>>> openoffice.org now are we? >>>>> >>>>> [ ... ] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >
