Hi Joe, It turns out that these /servlet urls fail on the existing www.openoffice.org. Nothing to do here.
Regards, Dave On Dec 22, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > Hi Dennis, > > One more try. I may have been somewhat dense earlier today. > > On Dec 22, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> I'm not talking about what www.openoffice.org does now, but what it will do >> when it serves up ooo-site.apach.org. Isn't that the plan? > > The plan is twofold. > > (1) For ooo-site.apache.org to do what www.openoffice.org does now with > exceptions - it doesn't do servlets and logins related to individual > openoffice.org accounts. > > (2) For openoffice.org to continue to do what it does now. > > >> >> I know that what www.openoffice.org does now. > > What http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists does now is return Kenai's > version of a 404. ooo-site does the same. We don't need to redirect that url. > > We should be redirecting /servlets/* in ooo-site, it is not a one-to-one map > to openoffice.org/projects/<project>/lists. > > The servlet urls look like this. > > contact.html:24: <a href="/nonav/servlets/HelpTOC">Get Help</a> > section.</li> > mail_list.html:91: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=users">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:102: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=announce">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:119: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=discuss">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:131: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=social">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:155: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=dev">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:165: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allfeatures">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:175: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allcvs">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:185: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allbugs">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:194: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=allhg">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:195: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SummarizeList?listName=allhg">Browse archives</a></td> > mail_list.html:205: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-announce">Search</a></td> > mail_list.html:216: <td class="alt6"><a > href="/servlets/SearchList?listName=interface-discuss">Search</a></td> > project_tools.html:3: <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectHome">Project > home</a></div> > project_tools.html:4: <div><a > href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership</a></div> > project_tools.html:7: <div><a > href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements</a></div> > project_tools.html:8: <div> <a > href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing lists</a> </div> > project_tools.html:11: <div><a > href="/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Documents & files</a></div> > project_tools.html:15: <div><a href="/servlets/ProjectIssues">Issue > tracker</a></div> > index.html:190: <li class="doc_tip" > id="join" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"><a > href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMembershipRequest";>Join the > project</a></li> > index.html:191: <li class="doc_tip" > id="mailinglists" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"><a > href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectMailingListList";>Mailing > Lists</a></li> > index.html:310: <li class="doc_tip" > id="searchproj" onmouseover="showtip(this.id)" onmouseout="hidetip()"><a > href="http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/Search?resultsPerPage=40&scope=project";>Search > the project data</a></li> > listrules.html:82:http://api.openoffice.org/servlets/ProjectDownloadList > listrules.html:151:http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/Join > project_tools.html:3: <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectHome">Project home</a> > </div> > project_tools.html:4: <div> <a > href="/servlets/ProjectMemberList">Membership</a> </div> > project_tools.html:7: <div> <a > href="/servlets/ProjectNewsList">Announcements</a> </div> > project_tools.html:8: <div> <a > href="/servlets/ProjectMailingListList">Mailing lists</a> </div> > project_tools.html:11: <div> <a > href="/servlets/ProjectDocumentList">Documents & files</a> </div> > project_tools.html:16: <div> <a href="/servlets/ProjectIssues">Issue > tracker</a> </div> > > If someone would explain how to map these to functions on > openoffice.org/projects/ we can make the changes to the ooo-site hrefs with > redirects if needed. > > Is this better? > > Regards, > Dave > > >> The only speculation I *had* to make is that ooo-site.apache.org is going to >> be served up as www.openoffice.org, since it hasn't happened yet. >> >> I know you are frustrated about this. I am too. A common set of tacit >> understandings is missing. And getting to an explicit understandings seems >> to be beyond our reach. Sorry. >> >> - Dennis >> >> PS: Showing me curl responses for 404s and 302s doesn't help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 13:28 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >> >> On Dec 22, 2011, at 1:09 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> >>> All I know is that >>> >>> http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ have important content related to >>> the lists that are still operating. >> >>> >>> http://ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ 404. >>> >>> That's not a speculation. >> >> Go to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists and tell me what you get. >> >> wave@minotaur:~$ curl http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists >> >> >> <!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" >> "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> >> <html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml";> >> <head> >> >> .... >> >> <div class="contentPadding"> >> <h2 class="pageTitle">Not Found</h2> >> <!-- This file lives in public/404.html --> >> <div style="padding: 10px 0 10px 0;"> >> The page you were looking for doesn't exist.<br/> >> You may have mistyped the address or the page may have moved. >> </div> >> <a href="#" onclick="history.back(); return false;"><span >> class="bullet">«</span> back</a> >> | >> <a href="/">home <span class="bullet">»</span></a> >> </div> >> >> ... >> </body> >> </html> >> >> You will then see that ooo-site does not need any redirection for these >> urls. Users do not have any expectation other than a 404. >> >>> >>> So if you are only redirecting http://openoffice.org/ (or its index page) >>> to http://www.openoffice.org, no deep linking into openoffice.org will >>> redirect, is that right? >> >> KENAI does this redirect, not us. We do NOT need to redirect anything in the >> http://openoffice.org/projects/ path. We are leaving that legacy behind. >> >>> And only http://www.openoffice.org/ ... URLs will see ooo-site.apache.org/ >>> ... paths, is that that the idea? >> >> They will have the same IP. >> >>> >>> OK, so that explains why there is no worry about recursion if >>> ooo-site.apache.org/projects/FOO/lists/ redirects to >>> openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ as Joe suggests. I prefer that part of >>> it also. >> >> There is no worry because we just don't need it. I won't ask Joe to do it. >> >>> >>> I know how to do that on my own web sites, whether using .htaccess or meta >>> elements in page headers. For ooo-site, not so much. >> >> For the future, meta elements should work just fine. >> >> >>> >>> And I am now going off list for a time while I sort out other work. >> >> Me too. A lot to TRY to convince you that there is no worry and no need. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >>> >>> - Dennis >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:[email protected]] >>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:42 >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>> >>> >>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >>> >>>> Now I'm even more confused. >>>> >>>> Will http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ still find the list pages >>>> or will it redirect to http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ and >>>> 404, since ooo-site.apache.org/projects/www/lists/ has nothing there? >>> >>> No it won't redirect. It only redirects at the first level. >>> >>> http://www.openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/ does not exist at Kenai it >>> gives a 404. Nothing to worry about. >>> >>> The pattern is http://openoffice.org/projects/FOO/lists/ >>> >>> Please try these urls in your browser before you speculate. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> - Dennis >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 12:19 >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Cc: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote: >>>> >>>>> But we're NOT cutting over "openoffice.org" >>>>> now so I don't see what the hemming and hawing >>>>> is about. We're doing "www.openoffice.org", >>>>> aren't we? >>>> >>>> Dennis missed our discussion of this trick. >>>> >>>> If a user goes to http://openoffice.org/ then Kenai very nicely redirects >>>> them to http://www.openoffice.org/. >>>> >>>> Website migration is decoupled from the following other issues: >>>> - Mailing List cutover. (ooo-site should avoid allowing users to subscribe >>>> to the old lists.) >>>> - @openoffice.org forwarder cut-off. >>>> - openoffice.org ids and extensions and templates access. >>>> >>>> There are a bunch of servlets around login and project mailing lists. >>>> These will break. They will need to be removed, but I don't think that >>>> should stop us from migration. >>>> >>>> I do agree that we should make the old legacy visible on the new site. >>>> I've asked for someone to look into /mail_list.html. Links to >>>> http://openoffice.org/projects/ and >>>> http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists/. would be welcome additions. CTR >>>> people! >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>>>>> ________________________________ >>>>>> From: Dennis E. Hamilton <[email protected]> >>>>>> To: [email protected]; 'Joe Schaefer' >>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 2:46 PM >>>>>> Subject: RE: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>>>>> >>>>>> It has to do with this page and all of the other pages like it for the >>>>>> lists that each of the OpenOffice.org projects (and NL projects) have: >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://openoffice.org/projects/www/lists>. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you have an OpenOffice.org login, you will see Subscribe and (if >>>>>> already subscribed) Unsubscribe buttons for each list on that page. >>>>>> Also, the archives are accessible from those pages in a browser-friendly >>>>>> form. This is how one can read the list using a browser and there is >>>>>> even a way to post to the list via the web interface. >>>>>> >>>>>> While some people aren't aware that there is this one-stop arrangement >>>>>> and use the e-mail means of controlling their subscription, others rely >>>>>> on this, including TJ for administrative functions. >>>>>> >>>>>> This aspect of the mailing-list service will go away with the cut-over >>>>>> of the web site. There is no reminder or announcement about that. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Dennis >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Joe Schaefer [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59 >>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WWW] Changeover is Close - Final Tasks! >>>>>> >>>>>> Why does one have to do with the other? >>>>>> We are not cutting over the MX record for >>>>>> openoffice.org now are we? >>>>>> >>>>>> [ ... ] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
