On 22/12/2011 Pavel Janík wrote:
I think the core issue here is "responsibility to users",
"credibility of the product" and "bridging the gap between the last
OOo and the first AOOo".

Exactly. And it could be that it's Christmas and good sentiments prevail, but I still see possible that this project and TeamOpenOffice.org find a common understanding and fix the issues before a stable version 3.3.1.

As shown by reactions to the (quite unfortunate) press release, Apache OpenOffice and TeamOpenOffice.org can be either significantly useful to each other or significantly harmful to each other. Their shared interests are so many that they can't ignore each other. Let's try to be mutually useful then.

TeamOpenOffice.org can bring a lot to the Apache OpenOffice project with little effort:
- Turn the Pootle server back on and allow migration of data
- Use their Kenai roles (or just knowledge) to help us in completing the infrastructure migration - Find the much-needed TCM testcases so that, after checking with Oracle, we can use them for QA activities
- Tell us all details about the Single-sign-on at openoffice.org
- A lot more...

And, once the issues related to trademarks and misleading communication have been fixed, we could work towards OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 together. I'm not saying that Apache OpenOffice should authorize TeamOpenOffice.org to use the trademark for an external release, I'd just prefer to use this (easy) release as an exercise for the Apache OpenOffice 3.4 release: it wouldn't be a waste of time, since we probably have several QA volunteers that need something to test before becoming involved with the project and we need to develop some lightweight QA processes, which could be faster if we have an actual version to release.

In the end this would allow:
- Users to get an intermediate OpenOffice.org 3.3.1 with security fixes and a transitional Apache branding (like "OpenOffice.org powered by Apache OpenOffice"), and be confident that they can migrate successfully to Apache OpenOffice 3.4 at due time. - Apache OpenOffice to build a QA team and processes on the basis of some actual work to do, and use the TeamOpenOffice.org expertise for the many small tasks above. - TeamOpenOffice.org to have a prominent role in this release and fix their communication campaign.

Of course I'm ignoring a couple of significant problems (licensing and hosting) which would need to be addressed, but the "starting fresh" concept can't work for a product with such a large user base.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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