2012/3/14 Jürgen Schmidt <[email protected]> > On 3/13/12 11:36 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote: > >> You're entitled to a dissenting opinion as an individual, >> but shaping the marketplace is not part of what we do >> as a public charity. Just look at how the subversion >> project has handled contributions related to git migration tools >> >> for instance (yes you chose an apt example but just don't know >> the true history)- our role organizationally is to facilitate user >> satisfactionno matter where they may ultimately find it. >> >> Friendly internal competition in terms of overall community is fine, >> but respect for other open source projects should not be sacrificed >> as a result. LibreOffice is part of the landscape now, like it or not, >> and failing to mention them simply to avoid elevating any attention >> towards them is not what I'd call friendly internal competition. >> > > nobody complained about LibreOffice and we respect their work and what > they have achieved from a marketing perspective. But I think we all don't > like the wrong facts that others (whoever it is) are spreading around > OpenOffice and Apache OpenOffice.
+1 > The opposite is true we would welcome any developers (including the > LibreOffice developers) to join our project and work together. As you know > because of the license the other way is not possible. > > +1 > I would very much prefer if we can simply concentrate on our project where > we have enough to do at the moment. Everything else can we do later. And I > would also appreciate if other people would accept the situation as it is, > Apache OpenOffice is alive, will deliver and our users are waiting on our > new release. > > +1 I'm new here...I'm not native English speaker...It took me much time to read this thread...and learned...I guess it also took you much time to type :-) ...so I believe the above opinion is correct and good for us...focus on the project, whether FAQ or code. All contributors have my respect. Helen > Juergen > > > >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Rob Weir<[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 6:28 PM >>> Subject: Competition (was: Clarifying facts) >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Joe >>> Schaefer<joe_schaefer@yahoo.**com<[email protected]> >>> > >>> wrote: >>> <snip> >>> >>>> >>>> At Apache we aren't in competition with other projects, >>>> we provide our work for the public benefit and leave >>>> discretion about adoption to the public. Please keep >>>> that in mind, and stick to providing resources that >>>> benefit general members of the public. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> I disagree. Or at least I think that there is more nuance to what you >>> mean than what you wrote. >>> >>> Competition is the natural outcome of offering choice. It is >>> impossible for us to offer a word processor and not to compete against >>> every other word processor, open source or proprietary, that is >>> available for users to choose from. If we offer choice, we are in >>> competition. When we implement features that users want, or bugs that >>> users report, then we are competing against every other market player >>> who is also trying to satisfy those customers. >>> >>> So competition is not evil, and I don't see how we avoid it unless we >>> write software that no one wants or uses. >>> >>> But what we should not be doing, as a project, is undertaking >>> competitive marketing campaigns against specific competitors. For >>> example, it would be improper for us to publish under the project's >>> imprimatur a whitepaper listing "10 reasons to ditch AbiWord and use >>> OpenOffice" or a blog post that says "KOffice has not had a new >>> release in months, their users should urgently move to OpenOffice". >>> In fact, we could look at almost any of the LibreOffice marketing >>> campaigns against OpenOffice and almost all of them would be >>> inappropriate for this Apache project to engage in, IMHO. >>> >>> We should, of course, tell the story of Apache OpenOffice, what its >>> benefits are and why it is good for users. Every project has the >>> right to its own messaging on its benefits. That is a basic part of >>> community development. It would be very odd if git developers came >>> over and decided to write a new project FAQ for Subversion. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> >
