On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Kay Schenk <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kay Schenk <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On 04/27/2012 01:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti<[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Kay Schenk wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Please take a look at and give feedback on a test page for the new >>>>> /download/index.html page at: >>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/index_new_dl.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html> >>>>> Yes, it's a bit strange with lots of nonsense at the top that I wanted >>>>> you to see, but will of course go away in production. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The page is nice, but it's the concept that leaves me dubious. >>>> >>>> We have another thread >>>> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.apache.incubator.** >>>> ooo.devel/16219<http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16219> >>>> where there seems to be consensus towards a solution that: >>>> 1) Uses SF (and possibly Apache) for the web-based downloads >>>> 2) Does not phase out MirrorBrain, and uses it for the updates (i.e., >>>> downloads initiated by OpenOffice with the "Look for updates" function) >>>> >>>> >>> That's what I understand as well. >>> >> >> oh -- OK. I thought we were going to use MirrorBrain for 3.3 DLs as well >> -- i.e. what Marcus will be working on. I know right now, we're using >> SourceForge for that though. >> >> >> >>> The "possibly Apache" in 1) is due to the fact that I haven't understood >>>> yet >>>> what technology Apache will be using and if Apache will distribute only >>>> sources or binaries too (it's obvious that we as a project will release >>>> sources and binaries, but I'm not 100% sure that Apache wants to put >>>> binaries on its mirrors too: I think so). >>>> >>> >> Well it's not all that complicated actually. Take a look at the security >> patch info page... >> >> http://www.openoffice.org/**security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.**html<http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.html> >> >> and you can see what the link looks like. >> >> Actual source/binaries are, for us, put in: >> >> http://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo/<http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/> >> >> This said, you could be right in having issues tracking down problems. >> Right now, the SF setup is more "user friendly" in my opinion. I thought we >> were *required* to use Apache for downloads, but maybe we've gotten a >> dispensation for this release. Though I didn't think is was 100% someplace >> else. I admit I haven't kept up as much as I should have though. >> >> The other issue is how will it LOOK to users -- one moment they may be one >> place; if they happen to do a shift-reload, they may go someplace else with >> an entirely different look and feel. >> >> >> >>>> Fact is, we should avoid the random selection as much as possible, >>>> mainly to >>>> be able to quickly identify problems, and you will see details in that >>>> thread. The cleaner separation we can get, the better. >>>> >>>> >>> So how about something very simple: >>> >>> 1) AOO 3.4 downloads use SourceForge by default from the >>> /download/index.html page. Just like they are doing today. >>> >> >> This WOULD make things a lot simpler. >> >> >>> But we also have a links there that point to Apache mirrors for: >>> >>> a) Hashes and detached signatures >>> b) source distribution >>> c) a link to the full release tree >>> >> >> Well, SF will need to implement in their sidebar or the main page for >> openoffice.org they have, right? >> >> Anyway, good conversation. >> >> >>> In other words, no rolling the dice, noting fancy. 100% of normal >>> users will download from SF. >>> >>> 2) When we enable the automated updates, in a week or two, then we >>> decide what we want to do. Maybe we do it via SF. Maybe MirrorBrain. >>> Maybe a mix, >>> >>> On the other side, release time is approaching and I can only hope that >>>> talks between Peter Poeml (MirrorBrain author) and Apache Infra, that had >>>> started on this list, are progressing now. >>>> >>>> >>> I think it is too late for any of those talks to influence how we deal >>> with AOO 3.4 initial downloads. But maybe the update downloads in a >>> couple of weeks. >>> >>> -Rob >>> >>> Regards, >>>> Andrea. >>>> >>> >> -- >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> MzK >> >> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you >> And life has a funny way of helping you out >> Helping you out." >> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette >> > > > Ok, I am hoping this will be about the last, final review on the new > download/index.html -- > > prototype at: > > http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html > > This assumes SourceForge ONLY, and that the 3.4 pre-built client packs > will be in the hiearchy as the 3.3 is -- stable, etc. > > Naturally NONE of the links will work until something gets out there and > there is a TON of alerts which I will of course eventually comment out. > > > It suddenly dawned on me *just today* that we don't want to continue to > generate links for OSes we no longer support now, like Sun's retinue, and > for some reason because of how this all operates, it took me forever to fix > this one aspect. I could have not bothered with this but well, I didn't > want to lead folks astray with a "not found" -- so they will now get sent > to "other.html". > > So, please test with what you've got and I hope for ALL platforms that we > do support, you get a link that looks to be correct. >
The link looks good for me, including the trailing "/download" that SourceForge needs. A few things: 1) Text should be 'Apache OpenOffice' not 'OpenOffice.org' 2) Google Analytics needs to enable on the page. 3) We need to get a link to the source code in there someplace. 4) The original page had a link for extensions and templates. The new one only has extensions. Was this intentional? Otherwise, it looks good! I can help with some of these, especially #2, but I'll wait to see if there are any bigger changes first. -Rob > ps. I'm assuming that we will house the actual "source" artifact from > Apache and this will show up in other.html as well when someone provides > this information. > > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > MzK > > "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you > And life has a funny way of helping you out > Helping you out." > -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
