On 04/30/2012 11:02 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
> On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:08 AM, Kay Schenk wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:53 AM, Rob Weir <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Kay Schenk
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kay Schenk
>>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 04/27/2012 01:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrea
>>>>>> Pescetti<[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kay Schenk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please take a look at and give feedback on a test page
>>>>>>>> for the new /download/index.html page at:
>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/index_new_dl.**html<
>>>
>>>>>>>>
http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html>
>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a bit strange with lots of nonsense at the
>>>>>>>> top that I
>>> wanted
>>>>>>>> you to see, but will of course go away in production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The page is nice, but it's the concept that leaves me
>>>>>>> dubious.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We have another thread
>>>>>>> http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
ooo.devel/16219<
>>> http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16219>
>>>>>>>
>>>
where there seems to be consensus towards a solution that:
>>>>>>> 1) Uses SF (and possibly Apache) for the web-based
>>>>>>> downloads 2) Does not phase out MirrorBrain, and uses it
>>>>>>> for the updates (i.e., downloads initiated by OpenOffice
>>>>>>> with the "Look for updates"
>>> function)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I understand as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> oh -- OK. I thought we were going to use MirrorBrain for 3.3
>>>>> DLs as well -- i.e. what Marcus will be working on. I know
>>>>> right now, we're using SourceForge for that though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The "possibly Apache" in 1) is due to the fact that I
>>>>>> haven't
>>> understood
>>>>>>> yet what technology Apache will be using and if Apache
>>>>>>> will distribute
>>> only
>>>>>>> sources or binaries too (it's obvious that we as a
>>>>>>> project will
>>> release
>>>>>>> sources and binaries, but I'm not 100% sure that Apache
>>>>>>> wants to put binaries on its mirrors too: I think so).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well it's not all that complicated actually. Take a look at
>>>>> the security patch info page...
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/**security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.**html<
>>>
>>>>>
http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.html>
>>>>>
>>>>> and you can see what the link looks like.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actual source/binaries are, for us, put in:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo/<
>>> http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/>
>>>>>
>>>>> This said, you could be right in having issues tracking down
>>>>> problems. Right now, the SF setup is more "user friendly" in
>>>>> my opinion. I
>>> thought we
>>>>> were *required* to use Apache for downloads, but maybe we've
>>>>> gotten a dispensation for this release. Though I didn't think
>>>>> is was 100%
>>> someplace
>>>>> else. I admit I haven't kept up as much as I should have
>>>>> though.
>>>>>
>>>>> The other issue is how will it LOOK to users -- one moment
>>>>> they may be
>>> one
>>>>> place; if they happen to do a shift-reload, they may go
>>>>> someplace else
>>> with
>>>>> an entirely different look and feel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fact is, we should avoid the random selection as much as
>>>>>>> possible, mainly to be able to quickly identify problems,
>>>>>>> and you will see details in that thread. The cleaner
>>>>>>> separation we can get, the better.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> So how about something very simple:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) AOO 3.4 downloads use SourceForge by default from the
>>>>>> /download/index.html page. Just like they are doing
>>>>>> today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This WOULD make things a lot simpler.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> But we also have a links there that point to Apache mirrors
>>>>>> for:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a) Hashes and detached signatures b) source distribution c)
>>>>>> a link to the full release tree
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, SF will need to implement in their sidebar or the main
>>>>> page for openoffice.org they have, right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, good conversation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> In other words, no rolling the dice, noting fancy. 100% of
>>>>>> normal users will download from SF.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2) When we enable the automated updates, in a week or two,
>>>>>> then we decide what we want to do. Maybe we do it via SF.
>>>>>> Maybe MirrorBrain. Maybe a mix,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other side, release time is approaching and I can
>>>>>> only hope
>>> that
>>>>>>> talks between Peter Poeml (MirrorBrain author) and Apache
>>>>>>> Infra, that
>>> had
>>>>>>> started on this list, are progressing now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is too late for any of those talks to influence
>>>>>> how we deal with AOO 3.4 initial downloads. But maybe the
>>>>>> update downloads in a couple of weeks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Rob
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Andrea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ------------------------------**------------------------------**
>>>>>
>>>>>
------------
>>>>> MzK
>>>>>
>>>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life
>>>>> has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out." --
>>>>> "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok, I am hoping this will be about the last, final review on
>>>> the new download/index.html --
>>>>
>>>> prototype at:
>>>>
>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
This assumes SourceForge ONLY, and that the 3.4 pre-built client packs
>>>> will be in the hiearchy as the 3.3 is -- stable, etc.
>>>>
>>>> Naturally NONE of the links will work until something gets out
>>>> there and there is a TON of alerts which I will of course
>>>> eventually comment out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It suddenly dawned on me *just today* that we don't want to
>>>> continue to generate links for OSes we no longer support now,
>>>> like Sun's retinue, and for some reason because of how this all
>>>> operates, it took me forever to
>>> fix
>>>> this one aspect. I could have not bothered with this but well,
>>>> I didn't want to lead folks astray with a "not found" -- so
>>>> they will now get sent to "other.html".
>>>>
>>>> So, please test with what you've got and I hope for ALL
>>>> platforms that we do support, you get a link that looks to be
>>>> correct.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The link looks good for me, including the trailing "/download"
>>> that SourceForge needs.
>>>
>>> A few things:
>>>
>>> 1) Text should be 'Apache OpenOffice' not 'OpenOffice.org'
>>>
>>
>> Ok-- I did miss this...
>>
>>>
>>> 2) Google Analytics needs to enable on the page.
>>>
>>
>> OK, I'll add this...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 3) We need to get a link to the source code in there someplace.
>>>
>>
>> again, OK, I'll add to the "options" box below the main light green
>> BIG DL area
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 4) The original page had a link for extensions and templates.
>>> The new one only has extensions. Was this intentional?
>>>
>>
>> Hmmm...OK, maybe I started out with an older copy and templates
>> got added later. I will add this section.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Otherwise, it looks good!
>>>
>>> I can help with some of these, especially #2, but I'll wait to
>>> see if there are any bigger changes first.
>>>
>>
>> ok, good...
>>
>> I will make these mods today and post another revision -- maybe
>> even without the "alerts" if I'm feeling more confident! :/
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>> ps. I'm assuming that we will house the actual "source"
>>>> artifact from Apache and this will show up in other.html as
>>>> well when someone provides this information.
>>>
>>
>> OK, I see Jurgen's message on this one...Apache instructions say
>> NOT to use a direct link to "/dist" so I'll sue closer.cgi on
>> source link only and hope for the best.
>>
>>
>> onward and upward...
>
> I'll help with closer.cgi.
great!
>
> I believe that the Source code download should be on the project site
> and we should link to it from the download page. This will help
> separate concerns.
>
> Regards, Dave
>
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>
MzK
>>>>
>>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has
>>>> a funny way of helping you out Helping you out." -- "Ironic",
>>>> Alanis Morissette
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
MzK
>>
>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a
>> funny way of helping you out Helping you out." -- "Ironic", Alanis
>> Morissette
>
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MzK
"Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you
And life has a funny way of helping you out
Helping you out."
-- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
