Regina-- Thanks for all this work. Please see comments inline below...
On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Regina Henschel <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi, > > my test results are below, all on German WinXP Home, SP3. > > kind regards > Regina > > Marcus (OOo) schrieb: > > Am 04/30/2012 11:21 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: >> >>> >>> >>> On 04/30/2012 11:37 AM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: >>> >>>> Am 04/30/2012 04:53 AM, schrieb Kay Schenk: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 3:22 PM, Kay Schenk<[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 04/27/2012 01:46 PM, Rob Weir wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Andrea Pescetti<[email protected] >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kay Schenk wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please take a look at and give feedback on a test page for the new >>>>>>>>> /download/index.html page at: >>>>>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/****download/test/index_new_dl.****html<http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/index_new_dl.**html> >>>>>>>>> <http://www.openoffice.**org/download/test/index_new_**dl.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, it's a bit strange with lots of nonsense at the top that I >>>>>>>>> wanted >>>>>>>>> you to see, but will of course go away in production. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The page is nice, but it's the concept that leaves me dubious. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We have another thread >>>>>>>> http://comments.gmane.org/****gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**<http://comments.gmane.org/**gmane.comp.apache.incubator.**> >>>>>>>> ooo.devel/16219<http://**comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.** >>>>>>>> apache.incubator.ooo.devel/**16219<http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.ooo.devel/16219> >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> where there seems to be consensus towards a solution that: >>>>>>>> 1) Uses SF (and possibly Apache) for the web-based downloads >>>>>>>> 2) Does not phase out MirrorBrain, and uses it for the updates >>>>>>>> (i.e., >>>>>>>> downloads initiated by OpenOffice with the "Look for updates" >>>>>>>> function) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's what I understand as well. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> oh -- OK. I thought we were going to use MirrorBrain for 3.3 DLs as >>>>>> well >>>>>> -- i.e. what Marcus will be working on. I know right now, we're using >>>>>> SourceForge for that though. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The "possibly Apache" in 1) is due to the fact that I haven't >>>>>>> understood >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yet >>>>>>>> what technology Apache will be using and if Apache will distribute >>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>> sources or binaries too (it's obvious that we as a project will >>>>>>>> release >>>>>>>> sources and binaries, but I'm not 100% sure that Apache wants to put >>>>>>>> binaries on its mirrors too: I think so). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Well it's not all that complicated actually. Take a look at the >>>>>> security >>>>>> patch info page... >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.openoffice.org/****security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.****html<http://www.openoffice.org/**security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.**html> >>>>>> <http://www.openoffice.**org/security/cves/CVE-2012-**0037.html<http://www.openoffice.org/security/cves/CVE-2012-0037.html> >>>>>> > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> and you can see what the link looks like. >>>>>> >>>>>> Actual source/binaries are, for us, put in: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.apache.org/dist/****incubator/ooo/<http://www.apache.org/dist/**incubator/ooo/> >>>>>> <http://www.**apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/<http://www.apache.org/dist/incubator/ooo/> >>>>>> **> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> This said, you could be right in having issues tracking down problems. >>>>>> Right now, the SF setup is more "user friendly" in my opinion. I >>>>>> thought we >>>>>> were *required* to use Apache for downloads, but maybe we've gotten a >>>>>> dispensation for this release. Though I didn't think is was 100% >>>>>> someplace >>>>>> else. I admit I haven't kept up as much as I should have though. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other issue is how will it LOOK to users -- one moment they may >>>>>> be one >>>>>> place; if they happen to do a shift-reload, they may go someplace >>>>>> else with >>>>>> an entirely different look and feel. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Fact is, we should avoid the random selection as much as possible, >>>>>>>> mainly to >>>>>>>> be able to quickly identify problems, and you will see details in >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> thread. The cleaner separation we can get, the better. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So how about something very simple: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1) AOO 3.4 downloads use SourceForge by default from the >>>>>>> /download/index.html page. Just like they are doing today. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> This WOULD make things a lot simpler. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> But we also have a links there that point to Apache mirrors for: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> a) Hashes and detached signatures >>>>>>> b) source distribution >>>>>>> c) a link to the full release tree >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Well, SF will need to implement in their sidebar or the main page for >>>>>> openoffice.org they have, right? >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway, good conversation. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> In other words, no rolling the dice, noting fancy. 100% of normal >>>>>>> users will download from SF. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2) When we enable the automated updates, in a week or two, then we >>>>>>> decide what we want to do. Maybe we do it via SF. Maybe MirrorBrain. >>>>>>> Maybe a mix, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On the other side, release time is approaching and I can only hope >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> talks between Peter Poeml (MirrorBrain author) and Apache Infra, >>>>>>>> that had >>>>>>>> started on this list, are progressing now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think it is too late for any of those talks to influence how we >>>>>>> deal >>>>>>> with AOO 3.4 initial downloads. But maybe the update downloads in a >>>>>>> couple of weeks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Rob >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Andrea. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> ------------------------------****----------------------------**--** >>>>>> ------------ >>>>>> MzK >>>>>> >>>>>> "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you >>>>>> And life has a funny way of helping you out >>>>>> Helping you out." >>>>>> -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ok, I am hoping this will be about the last, final review on the new >>>>> download/index.html -- >>>>> >>>>> prototype at: >>>>> >>>>> http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/**index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html> >>>>> >>>>> This assumes SourceForge ONLY, and that the 3.4 pre-built client packs >>>>> will be in the hiearchy as the 3.3 is -- stable, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Naturally NONE of the links will work until something gets out there >>>>> and >>>>> there is a TON of alerts which I will of course eventually comment out. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I've tested the following: >>>> >>>> 1. >>>> Linux with Firefox --> Linux x86-64 RPM de --> the text in the pop-ups >>>> makes sense --> OK >>>> >>>> 2. >>>> Windows XP with MSIE --> error --> the detailed error message says: >>>> >>>> Line: 104 >>>> Char: 1 >>>> Error: Identifier, string or number expected >>>> Code: 0 >>>> URL: http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/** >>>> index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html> >>>> >>>> Line: 286 >>>> Char: 2 >>>> Error: 'languages' is not defined >>>> Code: 0 >>>> URL: http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/** >>>> index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html> >>>> >>>> --> finally only a blue box for the extensions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> hmmm...well I shouldn't have changed anything that caused this, but >>> definitely NOT good. OK, thanks. What are you showing for your >>> "language" -- i.e. according to your UA string? >>> >> >> Good that you've asked. I remember that we have this webpage: >> >> http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html> >> >> So, I've updated it a bit and nowI get the following browser data: >> >> >> >> window.location.href http://ooo-site.apache.org/** >> download/test/analyze.html<http://ooo-site.apache.org/download/test/analyze.html> >> navigator.platform Linux x86_64 >> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() linux x86_64 >> navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:2.0.1) >> Gecko/20100101 Firefox/4.0.1 >> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/5.0 (x11; linux x86_64; >> rv:2.0.1) gecko/20100101 firefox/4.0.1 >> navigator.language de-DE >> navigator.userLanguage undefined >> navigator.systemLanguage undefined >> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes >> >> >> >> window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/** >> download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html> >> navigator.platform Win32 >> navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() win32 >> navigator.userAgent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; >> SV1) >> navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 6.0; >> windows nt 5.1; sv1) >> navigator.language undefined >> navigator.userLanguage de >> navigator.systemLanguage de >> navigator.javaEnabled() Yes >> >> >> It seems that on Linux the "navigator.language" is set. On Windows this >> is not set but the "navigator.userLanguage" and >> "navigator.systemLanguage". All 3 are handled in "download.js" (or in >> your new "download_new_dl.js"). >> >> Maybe it's helpful to output some debug messages around this area? >> >> @All: >> Can others please test on Windows with MSIE and Firefox? I really hope >> it's just my Windows XP (in a Virtualbox VM). >> > > > With Opera 11.62 > ============================= > > Calling http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/** > index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html> > > The green download box is missing totally. > > Calling > http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html> > results in > > navigator.platform: Win32 > navigator.UserAgent: Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; de) Presto/2.10.229 > Version/11.62 > navigator.UserAgent lower case: opera/9.80 (windows nt 5.1; u; de) > presto/2.10.229 version/11.62 > navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1 > getLink(): undefined > getPlatform(): Windows > getLanguage(): German > > > window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/** > download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html> > navigator.platform Win32 > navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() win32 > navigator.userAgent Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 5.1; U; de) Presto/2.10.229 > Version/11.62 > navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() opera/9.80 (windows nt 5.1; u; > de) presto/2.10.229 version/11.62 > navigator.language de > navigator.userLanguage de > navigator.systemLanguage undefined > navigator.javaEnabled() Yes > > OK -- well this is NOT good, but what kind of results do you get with Opera for: http://www.openoffice.org/download/legacy/ same thing or ???? Despite the fact that Opera is supposed to be the most W3 compliant browser, I know folks have had issues with it... with Windows Internet Explorer 8 > ==============================**== > Calling http://ooo-site.staging.**apache.org/download/test/** > index_new_dl.html<http://ooo-site.staging.apache.org/download/test/index_new_dl.html> > > All looks OK. > > Calling > http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html> > results in > > navigator.platform: Win32 > navigator.UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; > Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; > .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; BRI/2; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E; > OfficeLiveConnector.1.5; OfficeLivePatch.1.3; Microsoft.com Optimized IE8) > navigator.UserAgent lower case: mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 7.0; windows > nt 5.1; trident/4.0; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 1.1.4322; .net clr > 3.0.4506.2152; .net clr 3.5.30729; infopath.2; bri/2; .net4.0c; .net4.0e; > officeliveconnector.1.5; officelivepatch.1.3; microsoft.com optimized ie8) > navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1 > getLink(): undefined > getPlatform(): Windows > getLanguage(): German > > > > window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/** > download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html> > navigator.platform Win32 > navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() win32 > navigator.userAgent Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 5.1; > Trident/4.0; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; > .NET CLR 3.5.30729; InfoPath.2; BRI/2; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E; > OfficeLiveConnector.1.5; OfficeLivePatch.1.3; Microsoft.com Optimized IE8) > navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/4.0 (compatible; msie 7.0; > windows nt 5.1; trident/4.0; .net clr 2.0.50727; .net clr 1.1.4322; .net > clr 3.0.4506.2152; .net clr 3.5.30729; infopath.2; bri/2; .net4.0c; > .net4.0e; officeliveconnector.1.5; officelivepatch.1.3; > microsoft.comoptimized ie8) > > navigator.language undefined > navigator.userLanguage de > navigator.systemLanguage de > navigator.javaEnabled() Yes > > with Seamonkey 2.9 > ================== > > All looks OK. > Calling > http://www.openoffice.org/**download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html> > results in > > navigator.platform: Win32 > navigator.UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) Gecko/20120422 > Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 > navigator.UserAgent lower case: mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 5.1; rv:12.0) > gecko/20120422 firefox/12.0 seamonkey/2.9 > navigator.UserAgent lower case: -1 > getLink(): undefined > getPlatform(): Windows > getLanguage(): German > > > > window.location.href http://www.openoffice.org/** > download/test/analyze.html<http://www.openoffice.org/download/test/analyze.html> > navigator.platform Win32 > navigator.platform.**toLowerCase() win32 > navigator.userAgent Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:12.0) > Gecko/20120422 Firefox/12.0 SeaMonkey/2.9 > navigator.userAgent.**toLowerCase() mozilla/5.0 (windows nt 5.1; > rv:12.0) gecko/20120422 firefox/12.0 seamonkey/2.9 > > navigator.language de-DE > navigator.userLanguage undefined > navigator.systemLanguage undefined > navigator.javaEnabled() Yes > > OK, thanks again. I did discover and correct a rather odd bug that was affecting my simulated UA testing. Hopefully I can finish up with this tomorrow if nothing else comes up. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MzK "Well, life has a funny way of sneaking up on you And life has a funny way of helping you out Helping you out." -- "Ironic", Alanis Morissette
