Hi -
On Jun 23, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:

> Hi Nick,
> 
> I'm top posting because it is clear to me what is happening here:
> 
> (1) The Title of the AOO blog is "Apache OpenOffice (Incubating)"
> 
> (2) The Title of various blog entries includes the phrase "Apache 
> OpenOffice", but not the phrase "Apache OpenOffice (incubating)".
> 
> I have the karma and will fix these blog entry titles except for the Japanese 
> one, but I'm going to wait 24 hours.

Wearing my IPMC and PPMC hats. I've changed blog entry titles. Sorry for our 
oversight (or lack). Thanks for yours.

Regards,
Dave


> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> On Jun 23, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
> 
>> @Nick,
>> 
>> Ross offered to come to the AOOi PPMC to fix it.  I'm not clear what the 
>> PPMC has to do with it.
>> 
>> Specifically, @TheASF is not of AOOi PPMC origin.  The question is, who is 
>> expected to do something about that and how is it to be communicated to 
>> them?  Someone else is responsible for those tweets and their aggregation on 
>> the ASF home page.
>> 
>> Also, you refer to a blog post by Rob Weir on his own site.  It is true that 
>> Rob Weir is a member of the AOOi PPMC, but that blog site is not a product 
>> of the AOOi PPMC and its aggregation into Roller is no different than the 
>> aggregation of any Apache committer posts that a committer arranges to 
>> include in the feed picked-up by Roller.  (I believe the PPMC did authorize 
>> that "Get it Here" image and link to be used by sites that wanted to promote 
>> the availability of the software.  If there should have been greater 
>> formality before doing that, there are places to raise that specific 
>> problem.)
>> 
>> My concern is how to determine what the infractions are that someone can do 
>> something about and also being clear who that someone is expected to be.  
>> The general claim just has us running around like headless chickens over on 
>> ooo-dev.
>> 
>> - Dennis
>> 
>> PS: I'm now in time-penalty and will check back anon.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Nick Kew [mailto:n...@apache.org] 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 11:38
>> To: gene...@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: References to "Apache OpenOffice"
>> 
>> 
>> On 23 Jun 2012, at 18:48, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:
>> 
>>> Nick, the AOOi project does not write those tweets from @TheASF and they 
>>> are not under AOOi control.  
>>> 
>>> Are these and blog text occurrences the ones that attracted your attention 
>>> or are there others?
>>> 
>>> If you follow the links to the referenced blog posts you will see that the 
>>> full term is used in the blog title.   E.g., 
>>> <https://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/5_million_downloads_of_apache>.
>> 
>> So what appears on www.apache.org doesn't matter?
>> 
>> Nor what appears on planet.apache.org, featuring the article that first 
>> struck me
>> as using the name in a way I wouldn't expect when I read it in my feed 
>> reader:
>> http://www.robweir.com/blog/2012/06/pache-openoffice-34-downloads.html
>> 
>>> Would it have been sufficient to add it in the title of the individual 
>>> post, and in the first mention in the opening paragraph?
>> 
>> I should think so, but that's just me!
>> 
>>> How many times do you require that the qualifier be used to satisfy the 
>>> requirement for identifying incubation as the origin of a release, an 
>>> announcement, etc?
>> 
>> If the guidelines are unclear then maybe they need reviewing?
>> I was just pointing out usage that seems at odds with my understanding
>> of the incubator rules.
>> 
>> If a blog gets aggregated, then readers will see what appears in their
>> aggregator, as I did.  That's without the context of the page title in your 
>> link!
>> 
>> -- 
>> Nick Kew
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