On Jul 15, 2012, at 5:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > @Kay > > Well, just to prove to myself that I can make use of the ASF CMS Bookmarklet, > I edited the terms.html page. [I didn't trigger publication though, so you > may have to find them in the staging place.] > > Here are the essential changes I made: > > I eliminated AOO-PPMC as the authority, since it isn't. I used the Apache > Software Foundation as the HOST. > > I removed all mention to projects, private or not. There are none of those > any longer in terms of something someone can submit to under a different > license. That simplifies a lot. > > I played lawyer-without-a-license and removed all statements about "You > [hereby] agree ..." and "You acknowledge" and made the terms simply > declarative statements of fact that the user is asserted to be obligated to. > Since there is no action to have users read these terms and signify their > agreement, I assume that language is as vacant as notices in e-mail > signatures on posts to mailing lists that impose privacy and confidentiality > obligations on anonymous recipients. > > I did not tweak the notice in the MarkDown that ends up hidden in the page > headers and bluntly contradicts the terms themselves. I don't believe that > the notice has any value, being generally not visible to viewers of the page, > despite the fact that the HTML is the "source code" (but not in the sense of > the form in which the document is maintained!). Also, the invisible header > material declares that the terms.html page (and I suppose others) is > available under the Apache License Version 2.0. > > I think that ends my ASF CMS JFDI experimentation. > > - Dennis > > PS: It was very awkward and I had a number of problems using the CMS via the > bookmarklet and the edit page I then had to use. I went to my Working Copy > of > <http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/ooo/site/trunk/content/openofficeorg/terms.mdtext > and found that it was much easier to edit it on my local machine.
Truthfully I use emacs on my svn copy most of the time. I have found the bookmarklet to have been remarkably improved over the last year. The buildbot parts are more visible, etc. > Anyone know where JIRA issues on ASF CMS go? They go to INFRA. There is a CMS category. Regards, Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kay Schenk [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2012 15:01 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Terms of Service on Forums > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Kay Schenk <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > [ ... ] >> I just did a very quick draft mock-up of a new TOU at: >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/**confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*** >> DRAFT*+Terms+of+Use<https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/*DRAFT*+Terms+of+Use> >> >> based on Dennis's original corrections at: >> >> https://issues.apache.org/ooo/**show_bug.cgi?id=118518<https://issues.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=118518> >> >> IT still seems rather lengthy to me but... >> >> and it needs some additional information (ref URLs) and in what state is >> ASF "incorporated" or registered? >> >> I agree with Drew that perhaps we should mention the mailing lists in some >> way... >> >> >> >> I will work on this more tomorrow sometime and perhaps we can actually fix >> this. >> > > oh boy...well duh on me...when trying to track down where people should go > when they think their own copyright has been infringed upon, I came across > this... > > http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/terms.html > > already on the incubator web side. > > Is there any reason we just can't replace the current "Terms on Use" on > openoffice.org with a link to this? It looks pretty good to me. > > Again, no reference to mailing lists -- I'm assuming we only want to > highlight them with respect to validity of information? I don't see any > other reason to throw them in really. > > Anyway, having found this other link, I will delete my mockup on the wiki. > No use confusing things further. > > > [ ... ] >
