Larry, I trust you reserve this behavior for this mailing list and do not subject forum participants to the pack-animal behavior you've been exhibiting here lately. The biggest concern I have here with forum participants on this list is how their behavior here translates to their conduct in the forums- I hope we would havegotten wind of it by now if this were commonplace over there. Hagar was brought in to help ensure PPMC oversight over that activity; if he steps down I'm not sure who should replace him.
----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Gusaas <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) > > > On 2012-07-17 2:38 PM Joe Schaefer wrote: >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Hagar Delest <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:10 PM >>> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) >>> >>> Let's be clear: I don't have the desire to take the effort to > do such thing. >>> I volunteer to this project on my free time because I like it. But the > deal >>> is that I've to like it. I give my time to help users because I > find some >>> fun in it. >>> So I won't engage in things that bore me. If you can't > understand this simple >>> fact, there is no point discussing further. >> Yes you've made that abundantly clear that you find website work boring > and >> beneath you. As I've tried to make clear to you, people here who do > that >> sort of work on your behalf or provide you with the tools to make that work >> less boring for you will often find your attitude insulting and degrading > and >> yes unfun. Others won't mind in the least. Such is life. >> >> >>> If I had not the committer status, would you have asked me to do it > myself too? >> Of course I would. Had you been paying attention you would have realized > that. >> >>> I think not. And again, I'm a committer only because I accepted to > report for >>> the forums on the blog (meaning a new account to handle, a new tool and > a new responsibility). >> Committer status has nothing to do with blog credentials. >> >> >>> Which is something that I don't greatly enjoy. >>> >>> I accepted the ASF invitation to get more involved in AOO because I > thought there >>> would be some interesting development for the future of AOO and it > could be fun to >>> contribute to it. But if it means being bashed like that (thinking it > would be a good >> thing to report a problem), then no way. You've taken the fun out of > it. >> >> >> I haven't attacked you not a single time; I'm not bashing you > either. I have >> challenged you to increase your level of contribution to this project to > match >> the expectations of the other participants and committers on this mailing > list. >> Having said no there's no penalty to pay- nobody's going to strip > your karma >> for not trying. The worst thing that will likely happen to you are the > usual >> social consequences of not meeting the expectations of many of your peers, > which >> may not bother you either. Different strokes for different folks- there is > no >> need for further drama here. > > Your attacks on Hagar have been insulting and demeaning. Your use of language > is > insulting, > despite your claims otherwise. You need to learn how to encourage people. > > Hagar was a very valuable member of this project. Your mean spirited attacks > have caused him to > resign. > > Congratulations on the wonderful job you are doing as a mentor. Not. > > -- > _________________________________ > > Larry I. Gusaas > Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada > Website: http://larry-gusaas.com > "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind > theirs." - Edgard Varese >
