On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Larry Gusaas <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 2012-07-17 3:01 PM Joe Schaefer wrote: >> >> Larry, >> >> I trust you reserve this behavior for this mailing list and >> do not subject forum participants to the pack-animal behavior >> you've been exhibiting here lately. The biggest concern I have >> here with forum participants on this list is how their behavior >> here translates to their conduct in the forums- I hope we would >> havegotten wind of it by now if this were commonplace over there. >> Hagar was brought in to help ensure PPMC oversight over that activity; >> if he steps down I'm not sure who should replace him. > > > I reserve this behaviour for people like you who make insulting and > demeaning comments and fail to see or acknowledge how insulting their > comments are. > > Hagar's stepping down is solely your responsibility. As a mentor you should > be aware of how insulting your comments to Hagar were. You owe Hagar an > apology. > > As far as behaviour, yours is despicable. I am glad you are not active on a > forum,. >
Larry, I must remind you of our list conduct guidelines, specifically numbers 1, 3, 4 & 5: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/%28Draft%29List+Conduct+Policy -Rob > As a mentor you are doing a lousy job if this thread is an example of your > typical behaviour. You need to examine your actions here and reevaluate your > attitude. If you are unable to realize how insulting your remarks to Hagar > were you should just keep your mouth shut. > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: Larry Gusaas <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:54 PM >>> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) >>> >>> >>> On 2012-07-17 2:38 PM Joe Schaefer wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Hagar Delest <[email protected]> >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 4:10 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) >>>>> >>>>> Let's be clear: I don't have the desire to take the effort to >>> >>> do such thing. >>>>> >>>>> I volunteer to this project on my free time because I like it. But >>>>> the >>> >>> deal >>>>> >>>>> is that I've to like it. I give my time to help users because I >>> >>> find some >>>>> >>>>> fun in it. >>>>> So I won't engage in things that bore me. If you can't >>> >>> understand this simple >>>>> >>>>> fact, there is no point discussing further. >>>> >>>> Yes you've made that abundantly clear that you find website work >>>> boring >>> >>> and >>>> >>>> beneath you. As I've tried to make clear to you, people here who do >>> >>> that >>>> >>>> sort of work on your behalf or provide you with the tools to make that >>>> work >>>> less boring for you will often find your attitude insulting and >>>> degrading >>> >>> and >>>> >>>> yes unfun. Others won't mind in the least. Such is life. >>>> >>>> >>>>> If I had not the committer status, would you have asked me to do it >>> >>> myself too? >>>> >>>> Of course I would. Had you been paying attention you would have >>>> realized >>> >>> that. >>>>> >>>>> I think not. And again, I'm a committer only because I accepted to >>> >>> report for >>>>> >>>>> the forums on the blog (meaning a new account to handle, a new tool >>>>> and >>> >>> a new responsibility). >>>> >>>> Committer status has nothing to do with blog credentials. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Which is something that I don't greatly enjoy. >>>>> >>>>> I accepted the ASF invitation to get more involved in AOO because I >>> >>> thought there >>>>> >>>>> would be some interesting development for the future of AOO and it >>> >>> could be fun to >>>>> >>>>> contribute to it. But if it means being bashed like that (thinking it >>> >>> would be a good >>>> >>>> thing to report a problem), then no way. You've taken the fun out of >>> >>> it. >>>> >>>> I haven't attacked you not a single time; I'm not bashing you >>> >>> either. I have >>>> >>>> challenged you to increase your level of contribution to this project >>>> to >>> >>> match >>>> >>>> the expectations of the other participants and committers on this >>>> mailing >>> >>> list. >>>> >>>> Having said no there's no penalty to pay- nobody's going to strip >>> >>> your karma >>>> >>>> for not trying. The worst thing that will likely happen to you are >>>> the >>> >>> usual >>>> >>>> social consequences of not meeting the expectations of many of your >>>> peers, >>> >>> which >>>> >>>> may not bother you either. Different strokes for different folks- >>>> there is >>> >>> no >>>> >>>> need for further drama here. >>> >>> Your attacks on Hagar have been insulting and demeaning. Your use of >>> language is >>> insulting, >>> despite your claims otherwise. You need to learn how to encourage people. >>> >>> Hagar was a very valuable member of this project. Your mean spirited >>> attacks >>> have caused him to >>> resign. >>> >>> Congratulations on the wonderful job you are doing as a mentor. Not. >>> >>> -- >>> _________________________________ >>> >>> Larry I. Gusaas >>> Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada >>> Website: http://larry-gusaas.com >>> "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind >>> theirs." - Edgard Varese >>> > > > -- > _________________________________ > > Larry I. Gusaas > Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada > Website: http://larry-gusaas.com > "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind > theirs." - Edgard Varese > >
