----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Weir <robw...@apache.org> > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 11:27 AM > Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) > > On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Joe Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>> From: Jürgen Schmidt <jogischm...@googlemail.com> >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>> Cc: >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:18 AM >>> Subject: Re: On parks, commons, and websites... and fun (or lack of) >> >>> If Hagar really step back and won't continue his great job it will > be a >>> big lost. We appreciate your work and what you did for the >>> infrastructure, the CMS and everything else you do here or for other >>> projects. But in this special case you completely failed and it is even >>> more worse because you are a mentor. I am sure that nobody in this >>> project (excepting other mentors who are surprisingly quite) support >>> what you have done or better how you have tried to address this. But I >>> hope that you have learned your lesson as well from this. >> >> Let's explore this then, because I don't see why I should feel > intimidated >> by how someone might respond to a challenge to do more. Here is how my >> original email in this thread described Hagar's "behavior": >> >> >> "Other citizens might see the trash but instead of tackling the > problem >> themselves, ask another park visitor to clean it up. Not a bad thing >> to do, but a little bit imposing on the other visitors of the park. >> Those people might wonder about why the original citizen did not clean >> up the trash themselves, but occasionally you come across citizens >> who are happy to just honor the unusual request without issue." >> >> >> I fail to see how describing Hagar's behavior as "not a bad thing > to do" >> should trigger a drastic action from Hagar like resigning his > responsibilities >> from this project. He seems to be reading far more into what I've > written, >> and no this thread wasn't meant to be primarily about him at all. > > Hi Joe, I think that any calm, deliberate, factual analysis would > come to a similar conclusion. But in this case I think it was more a > matter of tone and other intangible aspects of the post. When I saw > your original note -- which was a week ago -- I cringed, like when > hearing a bad note in an orchestra. > > But just like in an orchestra, we need to all just play on. If it > turns into a long debate about who played the wrong note and why and > whether it was even really a bad note -- nothing good comes from this. > The time wasted on this is time we should be spending on playing the > next note. > > The weird thing here is that your original note was a week ago. > Ordinarily I'd expect that emotions would cool down, and any perceived > affront would diminish over time. But in this case a week passes and > we have a resignation. That is odd to me.
Well if it will help matters any let me apologize to Hagar for being impolite towards him last week- that much I think we can all agree on. This is a job for me, and trying to provide front-line infra support to this project instead of having you folks chase me down through normal channels sometimes gets the better of me. I don't pretend to be perfect, and sometimes will bite someone's head off when a more tactical approach calls for politeness- but as I said that comes with the territory at times.
