On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 1:00 PM, jan iversen <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks a lot for a putting my life back together :-) > > I have worked several years as consultant for sun (not OO but sun PC) and > used an equal amount of time playing with axis and apache server so I do > understand some of the complexities. > > please see me comments below. > > rgds > Jan I. > > > On 14 October 2012 18:46, Rob Weir <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 12:09 PM, jan iversen <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > I am getting slightly confused, can someone with more knowledge please >> > spent a few words to restore the world picture for a newbie ! >> > >> >> Sure. >> >> > During the last couple of hours, if have read mails that are more >> confusing >> > than helping, mainly because I think I have a different the background >> (in >> > old days apache was one very prof. project and openOffice another), so >> > please excuse my stupid questions, and please correct me if I should >> place >> > the questions elsewhere. >> > >> >> Are these emails on this mailing list, ooo-L10n? I hope they were >> not very confusing. >> > I am also a listener on the ooo-dev list, and thats where I heard about LO > and AOO, but I think a lot of people are on both lists of course for > different purposes. >
Ah, ooo-dev. Subscribing to that list is like "drinking from the firehose" as we say ;-) As you can tell by now, it is a busy and noisy list. We use it for coordination among the various project functions. It is the "main" list for the project. But then we have specialized lists, like this one, for those who want to avoid the traffic of ooo-dev. > >> >> > I thought openOffice was openOffice, but now I have learned there is >> > something called LO and something (which I think is the real thing) >> called >> > AOO, is that the "old" before apache version, and AOO is the apache >> world ? >> > >> >> Sure, a brief history lesson: >> >> OpenOffice.org was the project under Sun, started back in 2000. When >> Oracle bought Sun they donated it to Apache and the project moved from >> being a corporate-controlled project to being a community-run project >> at Apache. As part of this move Apache was giving the website and the >> registered trademarks for "OpenOffice.org". >> >> However, in order to adapt to Apache, we voted to rename the product >> to "Apache OpenOffice", the same naming scheme used by all other >> Apache projects. It was a close vote. Many wanted the name to be >> Apache OpenOffice.org, but the current name won by narrow margins. >> >> AOO == Apache OpenOffice == the new name for OpenOffice.org >> >> You'll see both names in use, since we still refer to versions 3.3.0 >> and earlier as "OpenOffice.org". But 3.4.0 and later is properly >> called "Apache OpenOffice". >> >> LO = "LibreOffice" is a fork of OpenOffice.org made back in 2010. >> > Now I understand the localization process better, it is actually reminisces > of the old sun tools. Back in the 90ties I had a conversation with a high > ranking SUN officer, who told me that life would be a lot easier if the > world just would speak US...my answer was of course, it would be nice but > it should be danish :-) > Personally I think it is a great thing that AOO is broadly localized. This is something that only a non-profit, volunteer effort could do. Sure, Danish translations are commercially relevant and even Microsoft translates Office for Danish. But with OpenOffice we can cover a lot of the smaller, minority languages that no corporation would do. For example, we have a volunteer working on a translation to Uighur, a small minority culture in Western China. > >> >> > There is also a l10n.openoffice,org homepage which suggest that there is >> a >> > project team thinking along the same lines as I do, but it has not been >> > updated since august 2008...have I missed something or am I doing >> parallel >> > work ? >> > >> >> There are many pages on the website that are out of date. But you are >> in the right place. This list is where we are working to get the >> localization effort for AOO organized. There is no other effort. >> > So in other words, my effort it not wasted or putting my foot down on > someones toes ? > Not that I know of. But a general rule at Apache: Since the project is spread out over many time zones, and many work on this only part time, and maybe don't check email on weekends, it is sometimes a good idea to make a proposal on the mailing list, then "let the earth turn" to see if there are any objections. And then take action. "Silence is consent". >> >> >> > What is the board doing, when I started working with open source long >> time >> > ago, it was all done in our spare time. Even when I worked with >> apache/AXIS >> > it seemed quite simple, but all this voting etc.... >> > >> >> Where are you seeing voting? >> > There has been a number of mails from andrea, and I think yourself about > voting for PMC on this list. > Ah. OK. That list has a lot of traffic related to our "graduation" from the Apache Incubator to a "Top Level Project". This is part of the transition from the Sun-controlled project to a community-led project at Apache. You are seeing the very end of that process and the graduation votes, etc. >> >> > I have scouted around in apache.org, but do not find any answers I >> > understand, can anybody give me a hint where to read ? >> > >> > Please bear over with a newbie, and cut me a bit of slack. When I start >> > investing time I do research, because I want to help and not to annoy >> > people. >> > >> >> One thing to note: When OOo was under Sun, it was a single open >> source project, and had its own governance model, with Community >> Council, NLC, Engineering Steering Committee, Projects and Project >> Leads, etc. At Apache we are one project among many under the Apache >> Software Foundation. But even though it is a much larger >> organization, the hierarchy is much flatter. We're a "meritoracy". >> We don't have a declared Localization Lead. The person who leads is >> the person who does. The overall project has a Project Management >> Committee (PMC) which deals with some formal matters, such as voting >> on releases. And the ASF has a Board that deals with larger >> Apache-wide issues. But within the AOO project you should not see a >> lot of voting going on, at least normally. >> >> You can read a bit more about decision making in the project here: >> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/community-faqs.html >> >> And this page is good for explaining things like roles at Apache: >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html >> >> Regards, >> >> -Rob >> >> Thanks again for your answers, maybe someday I will make it past a newbie > and be a contributor. Let time pass and lets see what happens in life. > You are already considered a "contributor". Next step would become a "committer", and have direct access to SVN and to Pootle. I think you are well on your way to that. >> have a nice sunday. >> > Jan I. >> > >> > Ps. I am still working hard on the Localization document, and if the >> > compiler wasn´t playing with me I would be one step further. >>
