13:29 tonym (~tony@unaffiliated/tonym) has joined #startups 13:29 Topic for #startups: A place where people involved in startups can hang out, and discuss anything startup/hacker related. | Wiki: http://ircstartups.pbworks.com/ | Beware of hippies and navy jets. 13:29 Topic set by micrypt ([email protected]) (Sat Apr 28 09:35:39 2012) 13:29 Users #startups 13:29 @ChanServ code ghostshell krackpot omni5cience swalk 13:29 @rmah count gianp Layke one_zero Swannie 13:29 @swombat cranzya glcrazy LiamM onr symb 13:29 @wheels cryptic gmcabrita licnep peterhil tdmackey 13:29 [[sroracle]] Cyndre gourneau likewhoa Phil-C Technodrome 13:29 [dmp] cyphase Guest99756 literal_username phwd tectonic_ 13:29 __null Cyrus guntha lmatos picasso teralaser 13:29 `Winslow Daeken Gwl loc` pippy TheTrash 13:29 A_G1RL daleharvey hachiya loucal podman tilerendering 13:29 abetaha dalys HaltingState m1d0_ procrastron timb 13:29 abraham dan64 haotian Mad_Dud psawaya TimTim` 13:29 acous davidthedrake harold makerbreaker pse tkmedia 13:29 acriax ddm32 harper manveru qnm Tobu 13:29 adulau Decarabia harperr marteen raz tobym 13:29 agentbob dekz HDroid MartinX rcs tomaw 13:29 aidan Derek_the_Writer HeavyMetal McMAGIC--Copy reddickulous tsandall 13:29 akl devaholic HedgeMage meefs ricin Turingi 13:29 akoumjian dlmalloc heidar megamark16 RixiM turtlemay 13:29 alisdair dmpayton hekate mensch rmah-ipad TylerD 13:29 amuck dools HEX3H mgoetz rns upgrayeddd 13:29 AndreaRu drogoh Hypah mheld rojisan veb 13:29 Angostura dryicerx Internet13 mihar rojisan_roaming veeti 13:29 anildigital dshep ironix tonym RumpledElf vinces 13:29 Arasari dumnut ivan\ Morkel rurufufuss Wah 13:29 aristid edenc ivan` movvy salisbury wao 13:29 aymanw__ edwtjo_ ivevyxexi mrud samuelclay War2 13:29 Balthek eezee319 jaequery MS|Away sashthebash warebec|1at 13:29 barake end3r- jayne mtkd schwap wcarss 13:29 barduck enra jbenet naoui SecretAgent wcchandler 13:29 bartender etcetera jefferai natte|wrk Seldaek willeh 13:29 beawesomeinstead exceion JeffW nattofriends selevt wollw 13:29 Bemmu exicer jhchabran nedjl shachaf wonk 13:29 beniz feedelli JiYu NomadJim shadykhan Wuher 13:29 benjoffe felideon jjcm nuba shoerain wyan 13:29 binarydigit felipe` jlf Nuck sins- xachen 13:29 binjured ferric johnpaulett nucleomite slajax y3di 13:29 blackwhite fisix JonnyCash Nutter spillere Y_Ichiro 13:29 bonsaikitten flashingpumpkin kanzure nw spyvsspy yan_ 13:29 brownies flexx Karmaon nx5_off stargaming yorick 13:29 Caius fmu karstensrage Obfuscate stephensclafani zakwilson 13:29 carbocation GabeEvans kephra ohhmaar stevenola zerofive 13:29 CharlesDM gary_b kfullert OldCoder streety zeroz 13:29 choupydance gasbakid kiffer84 olegp strix_ ziyadb 13:29 chr1s_ Gatewayy klaver ollie Sudoriparous zyfo_ 13:29 clone1018 geoffw8_ konr omarish sung 13:29 Irssi: #startups: Total of 269 nicks (4 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 265 normal) 13:29 !card.freenode.net [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp 13:29 Channel #startups created Wed Nov 14 08:26:56 2007 13:30 Irssi: Join to #startups was synced in 8 secs 13:30 <gianp> Technodrome, Anyway, I use technologies that allow me to create things and be productive. I'm really not very interested in cults of personality or developer fads. 13:31 <tonym> Hello! I'm doing some research on Microsoft Excel vs OpenOffice Calc - exactly why is Excel better? Judging by battle videos like these - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKjChWM0Mo - all Excel has is a fancier GUI and a bunch of autocorrect features nobody ever needs. Or am I wrong? 13:31 <gianp> I just would caution against being totally cynical about the fact that a lot of people making a lot of money have settled on a very small set of technologies because they think it gives them an advantage. 13:31 <gianp> They might well be right! 13:31 <@rmah> tonym: you are wrong 13:32 <tonym> rmah: Can you give me some real-world examples as to why? 13:32 <@rmah> Excel has more features for analyzing and processing tabular data than you can imagine 13:33 <tonym> I understand you've spent a great deal of your life working with Excel and that your ego probably is coming to the rescue here, but OpenOffice Calc also has a lot of features for analyzing and processing tabular data. 13:33 <@rmah> the formatting crap is fairly blah 13:33 <tonym> As for the features I *can't* imagine - I probably don't need them. 13:33 <@rmah> perhaps you don't 13:34 <@rmah> but that's not what you asked 13:34 <@rmah> you asked "all Excel has is a fancier GUI and a bunch of autocorrect features nobody ever needs. Or am I wrong?" 13:34 <tonym> I'm asking for real-world examples 13:34 <tonym> So I can help the OpenOffice community 13:34 <Technodrome> gianp: twitter is failing me, but if you look at his twitter its there, if your a scala guy you would know this :) ….it was a big deal for them when he said that since hies the main twiter of most scala books and many people use scala just because of lift 13:34 <@rmah> you can connect excel sheets to draw data from a variety of data sources, ranging from SQL databases to web services 13:34 <gianp> tonym, OK. The argument basically goes like this for any piece of software with a significant install base: 13:35 <@rmah> you can then feed that data into a pivot table 13:35 chris_99 (~chris@unaffiliated/chris-99/x-3062929) has joined #startups 13:35 <gianp> A million users know how to use Excel. OOO Calc is not exactly Excel. Therefore Excel is better. 13:35 <@rmah> you can then use do multi-scenario what-if analysis with consolidation and validation 13:35 <tonym> rmah: Calc does that too though, I just crunched some serious PostgreSQL and SQLite databases over here in the lab 13:35 <@rmah> you can then use that to create statistical summaries that format based on conditionals 13:35 <gianp> For "Excel" and "Calc" there you can read any two things where one is used by more people. 13:36 <@rmah> tonym: if OO Calc is enough for you, that's fine 13:36 <@rmah> but that was not your original claim 13:36 <tonym> rmah: Again, OO Calc has all the features you mentioned 13:36 <@rmah> ok 13:36 <gianp> People use Excel because they know how to use Excel well. They don't use OO Calc because it doesn't work exactly the same way as Excel. 13:36 <tonym> So your claim that you've repeated over the past few days that Excel is better, simply won't hold 13:37 <@rmah> tonym: ok 13:37 <gianp> tonym, See my much broader claim. 13:37 <tonym> gianp: Indeed 13:37 <gianp> There are a million programming languages that are better than <mainstream language>, but they aren't the right tool for the job for most people because they aren't exactly <mainstream language> 13:37 <tonym> its kinda like musical taste I guess where it's not actually about the music but about the fact that that person *chose* it and made it his own 13:38 <gianp> It's a little different to musical taste in the sense that if I switch music tastes I lose nothing. 13:38 <gianp> If I switch software to something that makes me less productive on account of the learning curve, I lose money 13:38 <tonym> true that man, true that 13:39 <tonym> lose soul maybe ;) but you cant measure that so 13:39 <tonym> hehe forget i said that
On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Tony <[email protected]> wrote: > Why Microsoft: Microsoft Excel vs. OpenOffice.org > Calc<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMKjChWM0Mo> > > Hello! > > Any chance Calc soon can embody these features as well so this video > becomes redundant? > > > Tony >
