Hi All,
I have separated out the social media part of this thread below as the
thread was overlong. I hope I haven't mangled anyone's points.
Jon
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Subject: Re: [Oorexx-devel] Looking Forwards...
From: Moritz Hoffmann <antig...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:54:25 +0000
We also have a presence on Facebook [1] and Google+ [2] where I'm currently
admin. I'd appreciate if someone else could join me in maintaining them.
Cheers,
Moritz
[1] https://www.facebook.com/ooRexx
[2] https://plus.google.com/+ooRexxOrg
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Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 12:56:03 +0200
From: "Rony G. Flatscher" <rony.flatsc...@wu.ac.at>
Hi Moritz,
thanks for all of your initiatives (causing me to finally get me an account
at github!), *very* much
appreciated!
On 18.04.2015 21:54, Moritz Hoffmann wrote:
> We also have a presence on Facebook [1] and Google+ [2] where I'm
currently admin. I'd appreciate
> if someone else could join me in maintaining them.
>
> Cheers,
> Moritz
>
> [1] https://www.facebook.com/ooRexx
> [2] https://plus.google.com/+ooRexxOrg
Just a comment from my side: personally I have not been using either
facebook nor google+ for principal reasons. As long as I am not able to
fully control my own data on social networks, I boycott them, visibly for
my students as well. As a result, I cannot help you administrate these two
groups, but hope that others, who are actively using FB or g+ will step up.
Please keep your initiatives up and running!
Best regards,
---rony
In the case of google+ Google - against my will - added me to it, without
any means on my side to cancel that, which shows how powerful and in my
opinion how ruthless these mega-IT-companies have become.
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 15:57:21 -0400
From: Chip Davis <c...@aviatrexx.com>
No, Jon. Rony has it right, and one of the few things we can do fight it
is to publicly boycott them.
I had a Facebook account before I discovered how little control I had over
my personal information. (Sharing personal information is, after all,
their primary product.) So I deactivated my account. They said "Fine,
your account is now deactivated, but if you ever want to reactivate it,
just log back in." It appears that while my account may not be "active",
they are keeping all of my data around somewhere.
My LinkedIn account has generated exactly zero business for me (and
terabytes of UCE). They seem to be following a Facebook trajectory, so it
too will soon get the axe, for whatever good it will do me.
-Chip-
On 4/19/2015 7:21 AM, Jon Wolfers wrote:
> Moritz - I echo pretty much what Rony has said. Thank you for what
> you have done. I don't have a facebook account - not through any
> principle, I just don't want to lose the time that it would take to
> keep up. Google also subscribed me to google+ and I have never used it.
>
> I hope that someone else on the list can join you here. If not, then
> I will bite the bullet and sign up to FB and activate G+.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 07:00:51 +0100
From: Jon Wolfers <sahana...@gmail.com>
Hi Chip,
I hear you, and I hear your passion, and I think my personal preference is
for me not to get involved with Facebook, but I wonder if using rexx in
that fight does not have a bit of biting off one's nose to spite one's
face. Like it or not, it is how many people share information nowadays. I
would never want a love of rexx to force people to join or to drown
people's in boxes, but at the same time I would not like rexx to be
unrepresented there.
Jon
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:23:39 +0200
From: Rene_Jansen?= <rvjan...@xs4all.nl>
While I agree with Rony and Chip, I am less principled and try to control
what I share. Need I remind you of the fact that all other things you do on
these newfangled things like tele-phones and internets are stored and
analyzed?
I am volunteering for the co-admininstratorship of the facebook page. Now
if Moritz also would share the admin of the NetRexx facebook page, we have
a reciprocal deal. Also, Les should have safecopies from the RexxLA point
of view. I also promise to update them more frequently.
best regards,
Rene.
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 07:49:04 -0400
From: Chip Davis <c...@aviatrexx.com>
I apologize if my response was not clear that it was addressed to Jon
specifically. He expressed his reservations about being on Facebook
but was willing to take the risk on behalf of a presumptive greater good.
I did the same thing and regret it. I think he will too. If there are
others who are already exposed, or do not have the same concern for their
(and their friends' and colleagues') information, by all means let them
take the point on Rexx's participation in social media.
As a part-time resident of Florida, it is evident to me that many
businesses, from personal injury lawyers to strip-club owners (which may
not be that great a range) find roadside billboards to be an effective way
to reach their customers. I see only an environmental blight.
-Chip-
From: Rene_Jansen?= <rvjan...@xs4all.nl>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:24:00 +0200
No need to. The important thing is that we have it covered. I agree on =
all counts, and it makes for interesting discussion, but in the long run =
ooRexx needs more exposure, and connection to these data hoovering apps =
is one way. The upside is, we never knew so much about what people =
really think if they consider themselves unobserved - =E2=80=9CDataclysm=E2=
=80=9D by Rudder is an interesting read.=20
Moritz, would you make me admin on your ooRexx page, I=E2=80=99ll make =
you admin on my NetRexx page. If I can find out how. I also have the =
NetRexx twitter acount, does anyone know who owns the ooRexx account?
best regards,
Rene.
From: "Mike Cowlishaw" <m...@speleotrove.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:20:21 +0100
Re Facebook:
> I apologize if my response was not clear that it was
> addressed to Jon specifically. He expressed his reservations
> about being on Facebook but was willing to take the risk on
> behalf of a presumptive greater good.
>
> I did the same thing and regret it. I think he will too. If
> there are others who are already exposed, or do not have the
> same concern for their (and their friends' and colleagues')
> information, by all means let them take the point on Rexx's
> participation in social media.
Not sure I see the problem. I use Facebook, and it has put me in touch with
many old friends and colleagues that I'd lost touch with over the years.
As for sharing information .. I only put information on there that I don't
mind the whole world knowing (ditto for my website). Yes, putting private
details on Facebook (etc.) is inadvisable -- but if people want to do that,
that's their choice. It's no worse than putting information on an open
website or 'blog'.
Mike
From: John Timmons <timmonsj...@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 08:42:45 -0600
Mike,
I am already on Facebook and I am stingy about what private
info I will share and with whom I will share it. However, we fogies have to
realize that we should use Facebook in all possible ways. After all, they
are using us as retail data resources. We can do the same to them. There
are levels of sharing that can be utilized to our advantage. And AFAIK
currently, we can still shade search engines to display our product higher
up in the food chain. We just need to know how to do it. The person I will
ask about this is my son, John, who has worked as a web developer in the
recent past and has manipulated search engines. I will let everyone know
what he says about the latest results.
John T. :-)
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From: "Dan Carter" <gwcar...@ezlink.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:10:51 -0600
Come on, guys! Facebook, Twitter, and the other “social networking”
sites are simply a waste of Internet bandwidth, doing a job that does
not need doing. Social networking is nothing more than a teen-agers’
replacement for party-line telephones and a gold mine for market
analysis. The whole “social” phenomenon is a pernicious disease that
should be stamped out. We don’t need to “come together”; we need to
get back to work and stop wasting time.
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