Hi Jon, thanks for separating this into another thread! I can fully
understand people not using Facebook etc., there are valid reasons against
it. However, I'm there already so for me it doesn't make a difference. I
don't think anyone should get an account for the sole reason of managing
one page, but I just want to make sure that it's resting on more than my
shoulders - you never know what happens.
So, I added Rene as an admin to our Facebook appearance! Thank you!
Cheers,
Moritz
On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 5:46 PM Jon Wolfers <sahana...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have separated out the social media part of this thread below as the
> thread was overlong. I hope I haven't mangled anyone's points.
>
> Jon
>
> =========================================================================
> Subject: Re: [Oorexx-devel] Looking Forwards...
>
> From: Moritz Hoffmann <antig...@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:54:25 +0000
>
> We also have a presence on Facebook [1] and Google+ [2] where I'm currently
> admin. I'd appreciate if someone else could join me in maintaining them.
>
> Cheers,
> Moritz
>
> [1] https://www.facebook.com/ooRexx
> [2] https://plus.google.com/+ooRexxOrg
>
> =======================================================
> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 12:56:03 +0200
> From: "Rony G. Flatscher" <rony.flatsc...@wu.ac.at>
>
> Hi Moritz,
>
> thanks for all of your initiatives (causing me to finally get me an
> account at github!), *very* much
> appreciated!
>
> On 18.04.2015 21:54, Moritz Hoffmann wrote:
> > We also have a presence on Facebook [1] and Google+ [2] where I'm
> currently admin. I'd appreciate
> > if someone else could join me in maintaining them.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Moritz
> >
> > [1] https://www.facebook.com/ooRexx
> > [2] https://plus.google.com/+ooRexxOrg
> Just a comment from my side: personally I have not been using either
> facebook nor google+ for principal reasons. As long as I am not able to
> fully control my own data on social networks, I boycott them, visibly for
> my students as well. As a result, I cannot help you administrate these two
> groups, but hope that others, who are actively using FB or g+ will step up.
>
> Please keep your initiatives up and running!
>
> Best regards,
>
> ---rony
>
>
> In the case of google+ Google - against my will - added me to it, without
> any means on my side to cancel that, which shows how powerful and in my
> opinion how ruthless these mega-IT-companies have become.
>
> Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 15:57:21 -0400
> From: Chip Davis <c...@aviatrexx.com>
>
>
>
> No, Jon. Rony has it right, and one of the few things we can do fight it
> is to publicly boycott them.
>
> I had a Facebook account before I discovered how little control I had over
> my personal information. (Sharing personal information is, after all,
> their primary product.) So I deactivated my account. They said "Fine,
> your account is now deactivated, but if you ever want to reactivate it,
> just log back in." It appears that while my account may not be "active",
> they are keeping all of my data around somewhere.
>
> My LinkedIn account has generated exactly zero business for me (and
> terabytes of UCE). They seem to be following a Facebook trajectory, so it
> too will soon get the axe, for whatever good it will do me.
>
> -Chip-
>
> On 4/19/2015 7:21 AM, Jon Wolfers wrote:
> > Moritz - I echo pretty much what Rony has said. Thank you for what
> > you have done. I don't have a facebook account - not through any
> > principle, I just don't want to lose the time that it would take to
> > keep up. Google also subscribed me to google+ and I have never used it.
> >
> > I hope that someone else on the list can join you here. If not, then
> > I will bite the bullet and sign up to FB and activate G+.
>
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 07:00:51 +0100
> From: Jon Wolfers <sahana...@gmail.com>
>
> Hi Chip,
>
> I hear you, and I hear your passion, and I think my personal preference is
> for me not to get involved with Facebook, but I wonder if using rexx in
> that fight does not have a bit of biting off one's nose to spite one's
> face. Like it or not, it is how many people share information nowadays. I
> would never want a love of rexx to force people to join or to drown
> people's in boxes, but at the same time I would not like rexx to be
> unrepresented there.
>
> Jon
>
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 11:23:39 +0200
> From: Rene_Jansen?= <rvjan...@xs4all.nl>
>
> While I agree with Rony and Chip, I am less principled and try to control
> what I share. Need I remind you of the fact that all other things you do on
> these newfangled things like tele-phones and internets are stored and
> analyzed?
>
> I am volunteering for the co-admininstratorship of the facebook page. Now
> if Moritz also would share the admin of the NetRexx facebook page, we have
> a reciprocal deal. Also, Les should have safecopies from the RexxLA point
> of view. I also promise to update them more frequently.
>
> best regards,
>
> Rene.
>
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 07:49:04 -0400
> From: Chip Davis <c...@aviatrexx.com>
>
> I apologize if my response was not clear that it was addressed to Jon
> specifically. He expressed his reservations about being on Facebook
> but was willing to take the risk on behalf of a presumptive greater good.
>
> I did the same thing and regret it. I think he will too. If there are
> others who are already exposed, or do not have the same concern for their
> (and their friends' and colleagues') information, by all means let them
> take the point on Rexx's participation in social media.
>
> As a part-time resident of Florida, it is evident to me that many
> businesses, from personal injury lawyers to strip-club owners (which may
> not be that great a range) find roadside billboards to be an effective way
> to reach their customers. I see only an environmental blight.
>
> -Chip-
>
> From: Rene_Jansen?= <rvjan...@xs4all.nl>
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:24:00 +0200
>
> No need to. The important thing is that we have it covered. I agree on =
> all counts, and it makes for interesting discussion, but in the long run =
> ooRexx needs more exposure, and connection to these data hoovering apps =
> is one way. The upside is, we never knew so much about what people =
> really think if they consider themselves unobserved -
> =E2=80=9CDataclysm=E2=
> =80=9D by Rudder is an interesting read.=20
>
> Moritz, would you make me admin on your ooRexx page, I=E2=80=99ll make =
> you admin on my NetRexx page. If I can find out how. I also have the =
> NetRexx twitter acount, does anyone know who owns the ooRexx account?
>
> best regards,
>
> Rene.
>
> From: "Mike Cowlishaw" <m...@speleotrove.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:20:21 +0100
>
> Re Facebook:
>
> > I apologize if my response was not clear that it was
> > addressed to Jon specifically. He expressed his reservations
> > about being on Facebook but was willing to take the risk on
> > behalf of a presumptive greater good.
> >
> > I did the same thing and regret it. I think he will too. If
> > there are others who are already exposed, or do not have the
> > same concern for their (and their friends' and colleagues')
> > information, by all means let them take the point on Rexx's
> > participation in social media.
>
> Not sure I see the problem. I use Facebook, and it has put me in touch
> with
> many old friends and colleagues that I'd lost touch with over the years.
>
> As for sharing information .. I only put information on there that I don't
> mind the whole world knowing (ditto for my website). Yes, putting private
> details on Facebook (etc.) is inadvisable -- but if people want to do that,
> that's their choice. It's no worse than putting information on an open
> website or 'blog'.
>
> Mike
>
> From: John Timmons <timmonsj...@hotmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 08:42:45 -0600
>
> Mike,
> I am already on Facebook and I am stingy about what private
> info I will share and with whom I will share it. However, we fogies have to
> realize that we should use Facebook in all possible ways. After all, they
> are using us as retail data resources. We can do the same to them. There
> are levels of sharing that can be utilized to our advantage. And AFAIK
> currently, we can still shade search engines to display our product higher
> up in the food chain. We just need to know how to do it. The person I will
> ask about this is my son, John, who has worked as a web developer in the
> recent past and has manipulated search engines. I will let everyone know
> what he says about the latest results.
>
> John T. :-)
>
> ======================================================
>
> From: "Dan Carter" <gwcar...@ezlink.com>
>
> Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 09:10:51 -0600
>
> Come on, guys! Facebook, Twitter, and the other “social networking” sites
> are simply a waste of Internet bandwidth, doing a job that does not need
> doing. Social networking is nothing more than a teen-agers’ replacement for
> party-line telephones and a gold mine for market analysis. The whole
> “social” phenomenon is a pernicious disease that should be stamped out. We
> don’t need to “come together”; we need to get back to work and stop wasting
> time.
>
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