Hi Lourens,

On Thursday 05 May 2005 13:46, Lourens Veen wrote:
> On Thursday 05 May 2005 18:36, Timothy Miller wrote:
> > My partners and I can afford to buy our own copies of the tools. 
> > The bigger problem is making them available to end users.
>
> Or replacing them with free alternatives. Which is probably
> practically impossible due to the proprietary nature of the FPGA
> itself (IIRC, someone here linked to a project that tried to do so
> some time ago, but they ran into this problem). Anyway, a discussion
> on the need for free hardware development tools is probably something
> for a different forum.

As I understand it, only the "net list loader" (is that what they call 
it?) that loads the synthesized logic into the FPGA is not available as 
a free tool.  I for one can live with that so long as Xilinx lets ogc 
users have the free webpack, and the webpack supports the 4000.  How 
about you?

> I'm probably in the minority here (and of course this won't be an
> issue for the ASIC) so don't let this weigh in too heavily, but I've
> gotten rid of all proprietary software, and I'm not going back. It's
> just way too much of a hassle.

I am not sure at all that you are in the minority.  Time to take a poll?

Regards,

Daniel
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