On 9/5/05, Martin Jeppesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I have been thinking. Will the band width of the PCI port be reached, > and > > > the AGP and PCI-e will therefore preform better? > > > > For a great many things, yes. 2D makes more efficient use of the > > engine (even though it's a 3D engine), because 3D tends to work with > > smaller triangles. Change bus, and you'll notice a marked speedup in > > 3D stuff. Or you won't, since you're not using it to play Doom 3. :) > > I am surprised that the PCI slot is that slow.
The bottleneck is the result of us not having a geometry engine. The host CPU does the geometry calculations. This results in a rather large volume of data being pushed over the PCI bus. This limits us to something like 1 million triangles/sec which really isn't all that bad, but some games will want more. I believe the Permedia 2 was like this, but I could be mistaken. I know that this is how a lot of early 3D designs were. > > > I think we'll pull the same trick as everyone else and charge extra > > for "shipping and handling". Also, there will be volume discounts. > > If you and your entire users group want to buy 100 of them in a shot, > > well, I'm sure we can discuss some better terms for you. :) > > Well, that's not so bad =) Hey, it's a fair trade. We will need to push these units. Marketing and advertizing cost money. If you buy them in bulk, you are taking on some responsibility for marketing and stocking them, which means you save us that much for that batch of cards. This is why volume pricing works. > > > You mean practice your cold-calls? Honestly, at this point, I think > > it would be best to focus our energy on figuring out how to market the > > project board. Then when that starts selling, we can figure out how > > to market the ASIC and the graphics card. > > Let's to that then. > > > > > You seem to have a marketing flair. Let's put that to use first > > figuring out who will buy the project board (I'll get you a copy of > > High Fisher's essay on it), and have a huge list of universities ready > > to call. We need names of people who make decisions, like professors > > and heads of IT departments, not to mention universities themselves > > (I'll take care of Ohio State). When we have the first 10 prototypes, > > ready to photograph and put on the web, then we hit them up for > > orders. > > Sounds like a good idea. I have connections at Denmark's Technical > University and know of hardware courses. Excellent. > > > They would be very UNinterested. Although we don't represent much > > competition to them, we do represent a market segment that they cannot > > be a part of, at least not without a lot of flak. They'll want to > > have nothing to do with us. > > The way I would present it is; OGP is not supposed to be a competitor to > nVidia's or ATi's cards, but rather a new product line besides the high end > cards. OGP have advantages that the other cards doesn't have and can't have > because of patents that are in the drivers and chips. High end cards for > gamers and raytracers, and OGP for offices, libraries, laboratories and > Internet cafes. Well, if they want to license the design from Traversal, they're welcome to do so. But I honestly don't think they're going to be interested, nor do we care. What we want is for embedded systems builders to buy the ASIC and we want Linux PC vendors to buy the card. We target THEM. We do not target companies that would stand to lose sales (however few) because of us. > > > > Alan Cox talked with me about getting the drivers into main-line > > Linux. If we're polite, it'll happen. > > Official supported by Linux. That's good PR! =) It is indeed. Not to mention the KernelTrap articles about our alpha driver crashing the kernel in evil ways. :) > > > Oh, me too. That's going to be one of the coolest things, seeing how > > people make use of the hardware in ways that we didn't expect or > > intend. They'll know 95% of it from the start, but when the RTL comes > > out, they'll find, I'm sure, a few more quirks to play with. > > > > I would expect a driver written in Perl to be one of the hacks =) Egad. Is there a way for userspace apps to do config and io space accesses? _______________________________________________ Open-graphics mailing list [email protected] http://lists.duskglow.com/mailman/listinfo/open-graphics List service provided by Duskglow Consulting, LLC (www.duskglow.com)
