> I still need to know about the jar's though... we can't/won't be able
> to use the ones you've provided. We build against upstreams copies.

why?   Some of the JAR files we've made customizations to, which is why 
they are renamed differently.   We build against specific versions 
because we know their various quirks and what have you so we know what 
to expect.

A lot of the time, simply dropping in the latest JAR file will not 
upgrade a general Java application.

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