Hey thanks! On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 3:03 AM, Alan Williamson <[email protected]> wrote: > man did this thread get off track ... > > Matthew Woodward wrote: >> >> ... or I can focus on the real goal of this specific effort which is to >> document the crap out of OpenBD and by extension CFML, which to me in the >> long run will be far more beneficial to the global community > > For my own part, I feel we all need to take our place in the eco-system and > let it evolve. We can't do everything. I agree with Matt here, focusing > at the grass roots and if we provide the necessary document, guidance and > high quality engine then let others come in and build the next big thing. > > Personally I feel CFML has focused way too much in the past on frameworks > and not enough on the end solutions. CFML's past is littered with ghosts > of frameworks past, and I really do roll my eyes when I hear of new ones > that are going to do what others failed to do, change the world etc. We've > all heard it. > > The problem here is that too much energy being burned for a very niche > market place - dare I say, incestuous. I would wager that the majority of > users of frameworks are existing CFML developers. Isn't CFML already > framework? > > What we need is that "php" ah-ha moment. This is a world that has managed > to get away with a lot less technology than CFML, a hell of lot less > frameworks (there really is only one major one in this world and even that > one has its issues) yet it managed to be accessible and available for anyone > to literally hack away at a page or two. > > I use a number of apps (mediawiki, phpMyAdmin) and i couldn't give a toss > that its written in php. For me, its not the technology its the end app. > We need to become fanatical about our end apps and less about the language. > > We've all tried the technology sell ... that hasn't worked. > We've all tried literally selling the engine for $$$ ... that hasn't worked. > Adobe is a shadow of its former self in this CFML world ... they have all > but abandoned it. > > We're a shrinking market yet I feel we have time to turn it around. > > Time to try something different. We need a "App World for CFML" and we > need it populated with high quality useful apps. I do not buy the argument > that everything has already been developed. In many respects this is a > perfect time to re-focus on the big beasts and provide the 20% of > functionality that people actually use (look at how basecamp for example is > big on less-is-more mentality). > > As we have shown with OpenBD Desktop, shipping CFML apps is a piece of cake > when you can get up and running so quickly (it is our biggest download > bundle). > > I applaud Jason King for the apps he is building up ... but we need 1000x > "Jason King"'s all churning out useful end-user applications that are > consumed by people who don't really care what its written in. > > -- > official tag/function reference: http://openbd.org/manual/ > mailing list - http://groups.google.com/group/openbd?hl=en >
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