Hi Michael,

>> * OpenCA uses the CA certificate for signing the cert Role. (BTW:
>>   openca-sv does use the CA cert regardless of its key usage
>>   bits - and can create invalid signatures this way!)
>
> We enforce this because we had no other solution.

I see... :-)

>> * I may be wrong, but I think the signature on the Role does not
>>   add any security, because the clear text seems to be only the
>>   Role name, making it possible to copy the signature and use it
>>   for another certificate.
>
> This is not correct. We always sign the role and the serial of the
> certificate.

I noticed - I missed the serial number, sorry.

>> To sum this up I think that using the CA cert is a bad idea
>> and that it should either be possible to switch it off or at least
>> to specify a dedicated CA auxiliary certificate that is issued
>> by the CA when setting up the system and then used to sign such stuff.
>
> I have a more radical question, does somebody believe that a signature
> on the role results in any additional real security? I do not think so
> because the major source of the role is always the CA and if a
> manipulation was made on the way to the database (perhaps of another
> node) then the CA cert can be manipulated too.

I also do not think this mechanism adds any additional security,
but I did not dare propose to drop this feature. :-)

> If we can agree on this then we can remove these signatures which
> reduces the CA key usage dramatically. This reduces the number of
> several possible error sources too. The dataexchange can be protected
> seperately and if the database is not trustworthy then the
> infrastructure is always broken.
>
> This would increase the stability of the 0.9.2 release too. The "only"
> important question is, does this have any impact into our security?

I agree, and I do not think that it influences the security. Tight
host security is a must, of course, but this is normal for such
applications.

Martin


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