It's a side point in this discussion, but just FYI, the SpaceServer and TimeServer have been integrated by Mandeep into the TimeSpaceServer, which is implemented based on octrees ...
-- Ben G On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 8:14 PM, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> wrote: > Csecz Jan, > > On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 2:05 AM, Jan Matusiewicz <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Hi Linas, >> Thank you for detailed explanations about evaluating graph of factoids. >> Surely it may reach some conclusion in this way. However, when I think about >> this example I create a simple model in which the cat's hunger is a variable >> which is constantly decreased by eating mice. When the cat is satiated it >> stops eating mice. It hunts later one mouse each time it is hungry. Can >> OpenCog create such models of situation with variables? > > > In principle, yes; in practice, I don't think anyone has done so, not even > as an example or demo. It actually would be a worth-while example -- i.e. > create a very simple atomspace, representing a sequence of points-in-time > vs. hunger, and have a "no longer hungry" state trigger some action. > Excellent task for someone trying to learn the system, as it will require > some deeper understanding and some invention and possibly some bug fixes. > > OpenCog does have a TimeServer. Its a bit raw, under-utilized, probably > buggy, and certainly incomplete. The intent is that the TimeServer can > speed-up and automate time-relative queries, such as "before", "after", > "same time". > > There is no built-in system for automating or speeding up any "when the > threshold of this drops below some level, trigger something". We haven't > advanced to needing something like this yet. > > Re; below: we do have a SpaceServer, which currently can deal with "near", > "far", "closer", "next to" type relationships. There is no in-built system > form modelling the interiors or rooms. > > There is a proposal to extend the SpaceServer to handle OctTrees, which in > principle would allow it to model walls, corridors, nooks, open sky, fences, > etc. however, no one has used it for that purpose yet, not even in a demo or > an example. This would be another good demo to write. > > The space server does (or did??) interop with the MineCraft backend. Not > sure how. > > Note that neither the space server nor the time server are needed to > represent space and time in opencog. They are there to optimize performance, > only. You can model space and time just fine with atoms. It just won't be > very fast or efficient. This whole area needs work. > > --linas >> >> >> Imagination is also the ability to mentally put objects in space. Suppose >> a box has more complicated structure with some nooks and crannies inside. If >> I draw the scheme of a box with size and initial positions of mice and cat >> marked as well, a human could imagine(based on experience of watching >> Tom&Jerry :) ) where the mice will hide, will they be fast enough and if >> cat's legs are long enough to reach hidden mice. Can AI invent such >> simulations? >> >> On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 9:10 AM, Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 23, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Noah Bliss <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> With enough data, Cogprime should be able to make at least one guess >>>> which accounted for variables such as the cats age, when it last ate, how >>>> many mice, etc. I am confident it could do so based on how critically >>>> engrained pattern matching is in its design. Given enough contextual data >>>> such as observing cats eat nice,, knowing cats are mammals, knowing mammals >>>> only need to eat until they are full, etc. drawing a reasonable conclusion >>>> should be no major stretch for the system. That recent embodiment example >>>> in >>>> Minecraft posted a few weeks ago (the one with multiple bots, keys, chests, >>>> and animals) demonstrated the system's ability to assume truths based on >>>> fuzzy but similar observations. Of course, the variables it accounts for in >>>> its prediction would have to be variables it knows may have impact. E.g. if >>>> it had never seen a cat eat a mouse, it may not assume that it would eat >>>> mice in this instance. >>>> >>>> >>>> Tl;dr. I believe we have a solid contender so long as we stick to the >>>> basis of patterns and sufficiently educate our system both explicitly and >>>> through its own observations. >>> >>> >>> Thanks Noah! >>> >>> --linas >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "opencog" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/b40a25d7-a3a9-4406-8ae8-ee54fb025462%40googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>> Google Groups "opencog" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/opencog/y--WRlIxf3s/unsubscribe. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>> [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA35YO3gA7gtQ8XefhvqvM328JbWO8e8NviKAdbYV8Q%3D1ag%40mail.gmail.com. >>> >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "opencog" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CA%2B2nBRv08AFbOw83RLG5eMANq%2B%2Bx%2B0ZOTrq%2B4BJEnAVwmAc9PQ%40mail.gmail.com. >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA34B%3DzND5ijL-KrzOc9Bv4pNQi6ESpyKyiAGJe1w0ibC9w%40mail.gmail.com. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Ben Goertzel, PhD http://goertzel.org Super-benevolent super-intelligence is the thought the Global Brain is currently struggling to form... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. 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