Hi Ben, On Monday, 21 November 2016 12:47:00 UTC+9, Ben Goertzel wrote: > > Tareq, I think it is months away, because first Nil needs to finish > some technical stuff in the backward chainer, and THEN he has to make > scalable inference control work for PLN via doing pattern mining on > inference histories... the latter won't be easy and help with that > would be valued if anyone wants to chip in... >
The latter does sound difficult. I'd love to help when I know more details about the problem and once I have free time. (Maybe Nil would be done with BC by then :) ) > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Tareq Alkhaldi > <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > > Thanks Linas and Nil, > > > > Yeah, I'm looking forward to the documentation. I'm also looking forward > to > > reaching the point when PLN can be applied to parsed sentences to solve > > parsed questions, because so far the examples I've seen only work on > > handmade facts in scheme. > > > > On Friday, 11 November 2016 13:53:47 UTC+9, Nil wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> sorry for the lack of documentation, I'm really close to be done with > >> the backward chainer implementation and then I'll write a detailed > >> documentation. > >> > >> Regarding true query, it is ATM no different than a variable query, and > >> yet it works! Specifically it can answer true queries where the fitness > >> function would be to maximize confidence, that is because the PLN > rules, > >> as currently implemented almost only get applied when they increase > >> confidence. > >> > >> There is a place holder for a fitness function that I'll implement when > >> needed. > >> > >> Nil > >> > >> On 11/11/2016 03:40 AM, Linas Vepstas wrote: > >> > I mean -- to be clear -- this question should have a step-by-step > >> > analysis on a wiki page, to illustrate how R2L and PLN actually deal > >> > with it. The fact that we don't have such a page is a major issue. > >> > > >> > --linas > >> > > >> > On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Linas Vepstas <[email protected] > >> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > > >> > Its not a trivial question, I'm sorry no one answered your email > >> > earlier. Nil works on this component, I am not sure how it works > or > >> > how well it works right now. > >> > > >> > --linas > >> > > >> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2016 at 2:11 AM, Tareq Alkhaldi > >> > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > >> > > >> > Hi everyone, > >> > > >> > So I've been trying to figure out the steps of inference the > >> > bc/fc will do in order to answer the following TruthQuery: > >> > > >> > (nlp-parse "Japan won the game.") > >> > > >> > | > >> > (ReferenceLink > >> > (InterpretationNode > >> > > >> > > "sentence@4603e95d-b5b8-4831-a0ac-95f28feaa119_parse_0_interpretation_$X") > >> > (SetLink > >> > (InheritanceLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "game@85e71213-577b-4aa2-8412-da49e62ba2f4") > >> > (ConceptNode "game" (stv 0.03125 0.0012484394)) > >> > ) > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (DefinedLinguisticPredicateNode "definite") > >> > (ListLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "game@85e71213-577b-4aa2-8412-da49e62ba2f4") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > (InheritanceLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "Japan@2d483477-9a2d-4049-968f-8f7120f43e51") > >> > (ConceptNode "Japan" (stv 0.03125 0.0012484394)) > >> > ) > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (DefinedLinguisticPredicateNode "definite") > >> > (ListLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "Japan@2d483477-9a2d-4049-968f-8f7120f43e51") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > (ImplicationLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "won@349785b2-b0c2-4feb-bd51-29d7fffefc73") > >> > (PredicateNode "win" (stv 0.055555556 > 0.0012484394)) > >> > ) > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "won@349785b2-b0c2-4feb-bd51-29d7fffefc73") > >> > (ListLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "Japan@2d483477-9a2d-4049-968f-8f7120f43e51") > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "game@85e71213-577b-4aa2-8412-da49e62ba2f4") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "won@349785b2-b0c2-4feb-bd51-29d7fffefc73") > >> > (ListLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "Japan@2d483477-9a2d-4049-968f-8f7120f43e51") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > (InheritanceLink > >> > (InterpretationNode > >> > > >> > > "sentence@4603e95d-b5b8-4831-a0ac-95f28feaa119_parse_0_interpretation_$X") > >> > (DefinedLinguisticConceptNode > "DeclarativeSpeechAct") > >> > ) > >> > (InheritanceLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "won@349785b2-b0c2-4feb-bd51-29d7fffefc73") > >> > (DefinedLinguisticConceptNode "past") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > | > >> > > >> > and the question: > >> > > >> > (nlp-parse "Did Japan win the game?") > >> > > >> > | > >> > (ReferenceLink > >> > (InterpretationNode > >> > > >> > > "sentence@71d1be55-9c56-46d5-a293-94c4d002feea_parse_0_interpretation_$X") > >> > (SetLink > >> > (InheritanceLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "game@19f5a774-8b38-4d92-b6e5-f443e2115476") > >> > (ConceptNode "game" (stv 0.05882353 0.0024937657)) > >> > ) > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (DefinedLinguisticPredicateNode "definite") > >> > (ListLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "game@19f5a774-8b38-4d92-b6e5-f443e2115476") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > (InheritanceLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "Japan@6df1a66e-f269-460d-bd32-9f300dc4a607") > >> > (ConceptNode "Japan" (stv 0.05882353 0.0024937657)) > >> > ) > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (DefinedLinguisticPredicateNode "definite") > >> > (ListLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "Japan@6df1a66e-f269-460d-bd32-9f300dc4a607") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > (ImplicationLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "win@72e29756-e848-4eb8-8924-407072e74d5e") > >> > (PredicateNode "win" (stv 0.10526316 0.0024937657)) > >> > ) > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (DefinedLinguisticPredicateNode "Truth Value") > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "win@72e29756-e848-4eb8-8924-407072e74d5e") > >> > ) > >> > (VariableNode > "$O1UKaXxsl6dTKvIOxy67sJqT5cVPhF4uSq6o") > >> > ) > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "win@72e29756-e848-4eb8-8924-407072e74d5e") > >> > (ListLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "Japan@6df1a66e-f269-460d-bd32-9f300dc4a607") > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "game@19f5a774-8b38-4d92-b6e5-f443e2115476") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "win@72e29756-e848-4eb8-8924-407072e74d5e") > >> > (ListLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "Japan@6df1a66e-f269-460d-bd32-9f300dc4a607") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > (InheritanceLink > >> > (InterpretationNode > >> > > >> > > "sentence@71d1be55-9c56-46d5-a293-94c4d002feea_parse_0_interpretation_$X") > >> > (DefinedLinguisticConceptNode > "TruthQuerySpeechAct") > >> > ) > >> > (InheritanceLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "win@72e29756-e848-4eb8-8924-407072e74d5e") > >> > (DefinedLinguisticConceptNode "past_infinitive") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > > >> > | > >> > > >> > > >> > Soo, about this part: > >> > > >> > | > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (DefinedLinguisticPredicateNode "Truth Value") > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "win@72e29756-e848-4eb8-8924-407072e74d5e") > >> > ) > >> > (VariableNode > "$O1UKaXxsl6dTKvIOxy67sJqT5cVPhF4uSq6o") > >> > ) > >> > | > >> > > >> > What do the nested EvaluationLink here mean? > >> > > >> > And what steps will the bc follow to ground the variable to > this > >> > (if that's how it works): > >> > > >> > | > >> > (EvaluationLink > >> > (PredicateNode > >> > "won@349785b2-b0c2-4feb-bd51-29d7fffefc73") > >> > (ListLink > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "Japan@2d483477-9a2d-4049-968f-8f7120f43e51") > >> > (ConceptNode > >> > "game@85e71213-577b-4aa2-8412-da49e62ba2f4") > >> > ) > >> > ) > >> > | > >> > > >> > > >> > I appreciate any help on this! 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