Hi Linas, I think my question is not here about the graph per se but about the mechanism to employ to generate and evolve the graph.
>From where does this graph comes from -- what is its genesis. If its through a notion of linguistic meaning that is even auto-learned (via non supervised ML) from text, with grammar self-learned, then as we indicated earlier, linguistic meaning is not the meaning embodied in the graph but merely a path construct over a path that when read by humans is meaningfully interpreted. that is what confuses me, i think. and the basis for my question of meaning linguistic and otherwise. thank you, Daniel On Friday, 21 April 2017 18:14:44 UTC+3, linas wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Daniel Gross <gros...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> so i wonder where is the meaning in this kind of machine . -- if the >> semantic graph is actually constructed out of the machine learned parse of >> natural language text without a predefined mapping to a semantic graph >> (which is what ones want to build in the first place). >> >> I think this is essentially what confuses me -- if i managed to explain >> it correctly ... . >> > > I claim that there is nothing more to meaning than the semantic graph. > It's all there is, and that's that. > > The turtle example: does the word "turtle" mean anything more than what > you could ever say about it? Where, by "saying", I mean: twittering, > blogging, writing a book, showing a photo, singing a song, dancing, or > creating an architectural work? What more could "turtle" mean, if it is > not definable in one of these expressions? > > Post-modern literary critics have already deconstructed "meaning" for holy > saints and seers: yes, you can go up into the mountains, hallucinate, have > an epiphany, talk to god, and carve two stone tablets with ten rules that > attempt to describe "turtleness" and utterly fail to capture the true core > nature of that epiphany. So, yes, "true knowledge" is locked up inside of > us, and ultimately, we have no practical technology by which we can express > our individual, personal, inner understanding of "turtle" to outsiders. > Bummer. My understanding of "turtle" is forever locked away in my brain, at > least until we have better MRI machines. But I accept that a narrative of > words and pictures is a reasonable facsimile, expression thereof. > > > --linas > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to opencog+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to opencog@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/b48ec5e1-da6b-4539-95db-0fe1f224e0d4%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
