Thanks, Linas. Now my question what is knowledge how can you explain knowledge in cognitive agent? what is knowledge basically a data structure, an information or what?
On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:11:06 PM UTC+5, linas wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 1:42 AM, Nageen Naeem <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Can we say that knowledge representation in OpenCog is somehow equal to >> human level knowledge representation? if you can say then give reasons, >> please. >> > > I'm very sorry, but that question does not make sense. Knowledge > representation in humans is done floating in a chemical soup of hormones in > the blood-stream, neurotransmitters in junctions, highspeed electrical > signals that "teleport" (think "stargate") neurotransmitters across long > distances at high speeds (we call these teleportation devices "neurons" - > up to two meters long) > > This two-meter length can be overcome by using printed books, television > media, social media, and e-mails. Basically, my neurons talk to your > neurons through email. Email is a weird idea-teleportation device. Our > two brains are part of a much bigger brain. > > Currently, the largest such "global brains" are capitalist corporations > and nations. Think of a corporation, or a nation, as a super-sophisticated > "meme". Like a cat meme, but much much more complex. > > Although corporations are enabled by humans, they run automatically. Some > machines are created by accident; for example, World War One was a > knowledge representation system that happened "by accident", and it only > stopped when it ran out of feed-stock (young men to kill). > > AGI is the gradual migration of various portions of corporations onto > silicon computers. > > Going in the other direction, Roger Penrose and Sturart Hammeroff think > that individual living biological cells are quantum computers. Maybe they > are right. > > Although opencog can be used to represent a quantum computer, it would be > silly to use this representation, and then try to create a full-automated, > no-humans-involved, capitalist corporation. In principle, opencog can do > this, In practice, not so much. > > --linas > > >> Thanks >> Regards >> Nageen >> >> >> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 11:34:54 AM UTC+5, Nageen Naeem wrote: >>> >>> is opencog knowledge representation language is able to learn things? >>> >>> On Friday, April 28, 2017 at 9:47:45 AM UTC+5, Daniel Gross wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Linas, >>>> >>>> I guess i should further ask: >>>> >>>> What determines the expressiveness of OpenCogs representation, the one >>>> that is bult-into its inference. >>>> >>>> thank you, >>>> >>>> Daniel >>>> >>>> On Thursday, 27 April 2017 05:27:45 UTC+3, linas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Nageen Naeem <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> how I can differentiate knowledge representation in OpenCog and >>>>>> traditional knowledge representation techniques. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Opencog is really pretty traditional in its representation form. There >>>>> are whizzy bits: the ability to assign arbitrary valuations to the KR >>>>> (e.g. >>>>> floating point probabilities). Maybe I should say that opencog allows you >>>>> to "design your own KR", although it provides a reasonable one, based on >>>>> the PLN books. >>>>> >>>>> There's a pile of tools not available in other KR systems, including a >>>>> sophisticate pattern matcher, a prototype pattern miner, a learning >>>>> subsystem, an NLP subsystem. Its an active project, its open source, >>>>> with >>>>> these last two distinguishing it from pretty much everything else. >>>>> >>>>> --linas >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, April 27, 2017 at 12:02:16 AM UTC+5, Nageen Naeem wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> basically, i want to compare knowledge representation techniques, >>>>>>> want to compare knowledge representation in OpenCog and in clarion? any >>>>>>> description, please. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 11:54:11 PM UTC+5, linas wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Nageen Naeem <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> OpenCog didn't shift to java from c++? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are welcome to study https://github.com/opencog for the source >>>>>>>> languages used. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for defining pros and cons if there is any paper on >>>>>>>>> comparison with other architecture kindly recommend me. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ben has written multiple books on the archtiecture in general. The >>>>>>>> wiki describes particular choices. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am not aware of any other (knowledge-representation) >>>>>>>> architectures that can do what the atomspace can do. So I'm not sure >>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> you want to compare against. Triplestore? various actionscripts? >>>>>>>> Prolog? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --linas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 9:36:04 PM UTC+5, Ben Goertzel >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> OpenCog did not shift from Java to C++, it was always C++ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The advantage of Atomspace is that it allows fine-grained >>>>>>>>>> semantic >>>>>>>>>> representations of all forms of knowledge in a common framework. >>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>> disadvantage is, this makes things complicated. The other >>>>>>>>>> advantage >>>>>>>>>> is, this fine-grained representation makes data amenable to >>>>>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>>>>> AI algorithms, including ones that can work together >>>>>>>>>> synergetically >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ben >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Nageen Naeem <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > Hey, >>>>>>>>>> > I'm searching for pros and cons for using atomspace for >>>>>>>>>> knowledge >>>>>>>>>> > representation but didn't get any full-fledged answer related >>>>>>>>>> to it. what >>>>>>>>>> > are the pros and cons of using atomspace and why OpenCog >>>>>>>>>> shifted to java >>>>>>>>>> > from c++ what are reasons behind it? >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups >>>>>>>>>> > "opencog" group. >>>>>>>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>> it, send an >>>>>>>>>> > email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/opencog. >>>>>>>>>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/bd2cd2ad-b15c-4a2e-a962-328a3197c0d7%40googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Ben Goertzel, PhD >>>>>>>>>> http://goertzel.org >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> "I am God! 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