Excuse me, do you think that a cs degree is mandatory when researching an agi system??
On Tue, May 17, 2022, 03:56 Linas Vepstas <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 12:03 AM nugi nugroho <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I think you are right, that system is way more complicated to build. But, >> do you think that Link-grammar nature can be used to steal ideas from deep >> learning to symbolic learning. (I dunno, probably just for fun, not really >> matters) >> > > Short answer is "yes", although I have not thought very much about this. > Other tasks seem much more important to me right now, although clearly, > most mainstream thinkers are very interested in coupling symbolic systems > to deep learning. Perhaps I should say: everyone else is thinking about > this, perhaps my time is best spent working on something that everyone else > is ignoring? > > --linas > > >> Pada tanggal Min, 10 Apr 2022 pukul 02.41 Linas Vepstas < >> [email protected]> menulis: >> >>> Hi Nugi, >>> >>> I have an idea for how to segment an image into parts, and recognize >>> those parts. For example, given a car, to recognize where the wheels are, >>> where the tires on the wheels are, the windshields, the roof, the >>> door-handles, and then to be able to labels these parts (with words, for >>> instance) -- Likewise for faces (eyes, nose, mouth...) or any other >>> real-world object. This provides a "grammatical structure" to the object. >>> It is more than just "image segmentation"; rather, it is a way of "seeing" >>> the structure, the part-whole relationship. Once this grammar is found, >>> one can reason about objects, talk about objects, etc. >>> >>> The PDF in the email chain explains how to do this. Writing the code >>> would take a long time, as would running the experiments. You are welcome >>> to read about it, and think about it, but I don't think it is a good >>> project for a student: it would take many years of full-time hard work to >>> accomplish this. >>> >>> --linas >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:51 PM nugi nugroho <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Could it be possible to make some 3d model of an object, Isolate it, >>>> create another corpus for object recognition by inputting the video >>>> rendering result to the system to be able to recognize the object in 2d. I >>>> wonder if this is possible without inputting a 3d model to the new corpus >>>> and just the blank video input and by some iteration it will be able to >>>> identify the isolated object in some noisy environment. If this is possible >>>> then the system could theoretically learn to recognize objects from a >>>> youtube video by passing the video and the subtitle(for now the subtitle is >>>> created from a neural network since I have no idea how to create the audio >>>> corpus). Usually the cooking channels from youtube are explaining about the >>>> ingredients like apples and moving them as they cook it, so I think that I >>>> could be used as the input to teach the model. I know this is a huge and >>>> very difficult thing to do. >>>> >>>> The thing that I know is I don't know a lot about how to use this >>>> technique for computer vision, I was still dumb. I still don't have any >>>> idea how to isolate each object in the video since this shouldn't be >>>> hardcoded but learned. >>>> >>>> Pada tanggal Jum, 8 Apr 2022 pukul 16.06 nugi nugroho < >>>> [email protected]> menulis: >>>> >>>>> I still do not understand the system completely, but I wonder if this >>>>> system is theoretically capable of creating 3d models from video input >>>>> that >>>>> the cameramen rotate around an object at a certain angle. I was thinking >>>>> of >>>>> creating a corpus capable of converting video to 3d models for further >>>>> processing by reasoning algorithms. I think AGI needs to have the skills >>>>> to >>>>> think at least about the 3d world(just my naive assumption though). This >>>>> was the first idea that popped into my head but, well, I still need to >>>>> prepare for my university exam so I can't learn faster than my current >>>>> pace >>>>> and my current skills are not sufficient to realize that idea for now. I >>>>> hope that I can make some contribution to the project at the end of this >>>>> year, but I cannot promise. >>>>> >>>>> Pada tanggal Rab, 6 Apr 2022 pukul 01.04 Linas Vepstas < >>>>> [email protected]> menulis: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Craig, (and Ivan) >>>>>> >>>>>> Replying publicly to a private email: >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 4:00 PM Craig Bosco <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> the only way forward is to crowdsource work and ideas. >>>>>>> >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>>> everyone will ultimately benefit from the OpenCog platform as it >>>>>>> gains ease-of-use and sophistication. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The OpenCog "platform" is both broad and deep; to discuss all aspects >>>>>> of it would be boiling the ocean. Unless, that is, you want to work on >>>>>> deep >>>>>> and basic infrastructure. One such would be converting the AtomSpace >>>>>> into >>>>>> a commercially viable platform that ordinary developers would want to use >>>>>> on a day-by-day basis. Having this would attract public attention, >>>>>> although >>>>>> it would not much advance the overall AGI research goals. >>>>>> >>>>>> One way to convert the AtomSpace into a commercially viable product >>>>>> would be to allow it to store generic JSON or similar (generic >>>>>> s-expressions, generic YAML, or even generic python or a json-like subset >>>>>> of python. Or all of the above.) This is "commercially appealing" because >>>>>> there already is a company that does this (grakn.ai, but since >>>>>> renamed to some other name I can't recall) and there are several other >>>>>> graph-database companies that offer something similar. I've taken some >>>>>> small steps in this direction, but abandoned them as they seemed like a >>>>>> distraction from the main topic of AGI research. >>>>>> >>>>>> The above might be appealing because it is a fairly well-defined, >>>>>> clear-cut project. It does not require arcane theory, or deep >>>>>> experimentation. It's mostly a matter of roll-up-your-sleeves and write >>>>>> code, which is exactly the kind of thing most programmers enjoy. Take a >>>>>> sketch, and turn it into a polished product. >>>>>> >>>>>> As to AGI research: the stuff I'm working on now is very theory-laden >>>>>> and complex; I now realize that I should not much expect anyone to >>>>>> follow, >>>>>> although a shout out to Amir who continues to surprise me regularly. He's >>>>>> on the right track. >>>>>> >>>>>> As to AGI research that you or Ivan could work on (... if only Ivan >>>>>> stopped skimming emails, and actually paid attention to what was written >>>>>> in >>>>>> them...) there is brand-new green-field development on audio and video >>>>>> processing. Green-field, in that not much code has been written, and so >>>>>> you don't have to modify a large complex existing code-base. It does, >>>>>> however, require interfacing into large and complex existing systems. The >>>>>> path is fairly straight-forward; see attached PDF. The work, however, is >>>>>> definitely challenging: it will require some hard thinking and lots of >>>>>> work. It's not "just programming", it's architecture and exploration. >>>>>> Some >>>>>> of that work is grunt-work, e.g. collecting a suitable corpus of images. >>>>>> Some is just painful: running CPU-intensive jobs for days on end. >>>>>> >>>>>> PDF: >>>>>> https://github.com/opencog/learn/blob/master/learn-lang-diary/agi-2022/grammar-induction.pdf >>>>>> >>>>>> -- Linas >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "opencog" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA37aWVAPcguURrd7xZZmJUuP7Czb%2Bu4NsbhU1dF6D1y4_Q%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA37aWVAPcguURrd7xZZmJUuP7Czb%2Bu4NsbhU1dF6D1y4_Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>> . >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "opencog" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAJA72CeOHdm6iEMT5cM6Yetygyei_g8xa7cgNRg3kA2RWNvUMA%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAJA72CeOHdm6iEMT5cM6Yetygyei_g8xa7cgNRg3kA2RWNvUMA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Patrick: Are they laughing at us? >>> Sponge Bob: No, Patrick, they are laughing next to us. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "opencog" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA35uRsmmuqKYhgk7GvvMabXvyi5N82%3DH41Fn6kOCZ%2BP8%2BA%40mail.gmail.com >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA35uRsmmuqKYhgk7GvvMabXvyi5N82%3DH41Fn6kOCZ%2BP8%2BA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "opencog" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAJA72CfXDo0Lm_DU287-1wAHJ700o6QqWCnhdQeidLPjU-EdwQ%40mail.gmail.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAJA72CfXDo0Lm_DU287-1wAHJ700o6QqWCnhdQeidLPjU-EdwQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > > > -- > Patrick: Are they laughing at us? > Sponge Bob: No, Patrick, they are laughing next to us. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "opencog" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA37UVZzi%2B%2Bh26KuraCAJPw0-JhW3zHaw%3Dz%2BsAK3OWJY0vg%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/opencog/CAHrUA37UVZzi%2B%2Bh26KuraCAJPw0-JhW3zHaw%3Dz%2BsAK3OWJY0vg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "opencog" group. 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