Inline On Sunday, April 14, 2013 8:19:23 PM UTC+2, Rayna / Malicia wrote: > > Hi :) > > Comments inline. > > 2013/4/14 <[email protected] <javascript:>>: > > Hi Rayna, > > > > A few things to note: > > 1-This is only a staging site, not final production decision. > > Never said the opposite. And so? :) > So this is why the thread was started, to get feedback.
> > > > 2-The license controversial status is in itself a debatable statement, > > depending on whether you see copyleft to be more "free" than liberal > styled > > licensed. however I think the limitation of non-derivative work is a > > secondary concern so is the non-commercial use. > > Wait, you are mixing stuff. > > First: the NC and ND clauses have been widely denounced as non-free, > by many in the FOSS and free culture communities at large. (People > have even written alternative licenses to support and widen the -by-SA > type, but this is another discussion.) I am sorry to disappoint you > but I do consider that a content/site/whatever which is distributed > under either -by-NC or -by-ND or under -by-NC-ND is non-free. In the > definition of free software, you have the freedoms to use, study, > modify and do whatever you like, which includes sell. So, by not > allowing some of these -- that is, what NC and ND and their > combination do -- you restrict certain freedoms. Which, imho, is not > acceptable: either we defend all freedoms or just some of them. > > You are now sticking to the GPL definition of the freedoms. > Second, the goal of the website has nothing to do with the license > under which the CMS running it is released. These are totally > unrelated. > > Third, what does "liberal styled license" mean? > Liberal style licenses cover a range from MIT license, BSD, to Apache for example. unlike the GPL and derivatives, these licenses allow you to make modification without the obligation to share the code. Heresy you may say, but in my opinion this is a freedom which is missing in the GPL. The freedom to modify the code without the obligation to share my modifications. Why would anyone wants that? well, if you work on something that can't be public but you don't want to start from scratch. if al you can find is GPL code then you can't use that to get started. before we inline further, I suggest we leave the license comparison topic to its own thread and/or a dedicated post. > > Lastly, NC and ND are totally independent clauses. So, your very last > sentence is irrelevant and invalid :) > > > > 3-I never thought of wordpress as a CMS, it is a great blogging engine > but > > that is where I see it. on drupal or joomla, we could swing either way. > I am > > personally a ruby/python guy for lightweight web projects but it might > be > > more challenging to find more people to support/customize radiantCMS for > > example. > > What does it mean "a CMS is a great blogging tool but that is where I > see it?" A CMS -- *content* management, that is -- just does this: > handles content. Regardless of the content ya3ni. > As I said, I used wordpress in the past as a blogging engine. Before I speculate on its features comparison I would have to try a more recent version. > > > 4-The world doesn't end by choosing a CMS that we think later we should > > change, version 2.0 of anything is always better so as long as we start > > somewhere and succeed enough to need 2.0 then we will cross that bridge > when > > we get there. > > Er, I beg to disagree. It is volunteer community. Migrating a website > with content and stuff is a sheer volume of work, I will certainly > avoid doing it if I can. And this means choosing the CMS wisely. > you are free to disagree, but I disagree. I have never seen anything succeeds and not adapt or change. > > > > 5-Typo3 has fairly easy to manage admin interface for content > editor/site > > administrator I thought that was a big advantage. > > Why not taking Wordpress then? if this is the only advantage of Typo3, > then it is not an advantage cuz it is already a basic feature of many > others :) Bottom line is that it's better to take a CMS that the > biggest number of contributors know how to work with rather than > something that's just cool. Don't forget that the entry barrier must > be as low as possible in order not to restrict people willing to help > but not knowing how to use the tool. > Coolness was not a factor here. None of the tools mentioned on this thread are cool IMO > > > > 6-This is still on staging, if there are volunteers who want to setup > drupal > > or joomla so we can try before we buy that is great. if not, as > mentioned in > > #4, we can move forward and come back to that later. > I beg to disagree again :) To me, we need to prototype and set up > needs then match tools to these. Not take one tool and try to shoehorn > stuff into it, then decide to engage into even more time- and > effort-requiring direction. > Sorry to sound kinda harsh, it is not my intention, written > communication has its limits ;) Just that I've been seeing this kind > of discussions a countless number of times and communities getting > stuck and drawn back by endless discussions on tools without > identifying needs and targets. > There is a post on this thread with some targets, from my point of view. If you have a specific proposal to move things forward bring it up. I look forward to seeing that > > Talk laterz, and belhanna to all these who are going to have dinner :) > > Rayna > > > > > Regards > > Mohamed > > > > > > On Sunday, April 14, 2013 5:43:16 PM UTC+2, Rayna / Malicia wrote: > >> > >> Hey Mohamed et al, > >> > >> Thanks for taking care of this. > >> I have a few questions: > >> * what exactly motivated you to use a CMS which is distributed under > >> the controversial -by-NC-ND license? :) > >> * what are the advantages and disadvantages of this CMS in comparison > >> to Drupal, WordPress, keda? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Rayna > >> > >> 2013/4/13 <[email protected]>: > >> > Hi, > >> > > >> > I setup Typo3 on a VPS. There is not much content but that will build > up > >> > over time. > >> > It is now in "staging" environment, before we move it to be the > official > >> > site, would like to get feedback from the community > >> > > >> > http://5.9.149.155/ > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Mohamed > >> > > >> > -- > >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > Groups > >> > "OpenEgypt" group. > >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > send > >> > an > >> > email to [email protected]. > >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> "Change l'ordre du monde plutôt que tes désirs." > >> > >> http://de.linkedin.com/in/raynas > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "OpenEgypt" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an > > email to [email protected] <javascript:>. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > > > > > > -- > "Change l'ordre du monde plutôt que tes désirs." > > http://de.linkedin.com/in/raynas > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OpenEgypt" group. 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