Hi,


After analysis done by the Smartcard people in the Netherlands they came to
the conclusion that Smartcards with significant medical information on it
need special safety procedures and back-up facilities.
These extra's necessitate a full back-up centrally and create
synchronisation problems. Everything is technically feasable.
But was to expensive.
They concluded: the smartcard must be used in the process of identification,
only. And even that was very expensive.

With regards,

Gerard





On 2002-06-12 04:18, "Tony Grivell" <tony.grivell at flinders.edu.au> wrote:

> At 11:34 +1000 12/6/02, Thomas Beale wrote:
>> Li, Henry wrote:
>> 
>>> This is the process
>>> A patient visits a care provider and presents his e-card as a proof of
>>> consent to treatment
>>> 
>>> The health care provider loads up the health record into the browser and
>>> download the info into whatever system he is using (this applies to Hospital
>>> as well), the health care provider can also choose to discuss the patient
>>> with other health profession on line through the web.
>>> 
>>> When the patient leave the care provider, it is the responsibility of the
>>> care provider to upload whatever he has done to the patient back to the
>>> e-card and the patient goes away. Any subsequent test results etc, it is the
>>> responsibility of the health care provider to contact the patient to have
>>> the data put into the patient's e-card. (the patient can choose not to do so
>>> - but it is of course to the patients benefit to do so)
>>> 
>> So now there are copies of the EHR a) on the patient's card, and b)
>> on the system. Over time there will be many copies of the EHR, some
>> more up to date than the copy on the patient's card. What's the
>> point of having a copy of the EHR on the patient's card?
>> 
>>> The benefit of this is at any one time, the patient is the only person that
>>> has a complete health history of himself and he owns it. (Solve the
>>> 
>> This won't be true - over time I doubt that anyone will have a
>> complete history of the patient - they will all have partial
>> histories, which admittedly is the curret situation, but I don't see
>> any utility in having yet another copy of part of the EHR on the
>> card.
>> 
>> Re: the fear of big brother - I agree this is real; but the
>> solutions in my opinion lie in:
>> 
>> - distributed computing systems
>> - data management by clinical and/or public bodies (non profit
>> enterprises in other words)
>> - strict governance of information and enforcement of consent
>> - data ownership by the patient
>> 
>> - thomas beale
> 
> One attractive option that goes some way to satisfy the above ideals
> is to have any particular data exist in only one primary location
> (backed up, of course), and therefore the total record "scattered"
> potentially around the world.  The patient-held e-card (also backed
> up somewhere?) carries the _index_ to these locations/data, as well
> as being the physical part of a "key" that allows access to this
> data, and maybe also carrying some portion of the data (at least a
> summary of key events and critical information such as serious
> allergies, medication etc)
> 
> tony grivell
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
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