Sorry, I forgot to adjust the subject line after McAfee went crazy on
this email.
Bye, Helma
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From: owner-openehr-technical at openehr.org
[mailto:owner-openehr-technical at openehr.org] On Behalf Of Linden H van
der (MI)
Sent: Wednesday, 09 March, 2005 23:45
To: openehr-technical at openehr.org
Subject: RE: MCAFEE E-MAIL SCAN ALERT!~RE: ADL TO XML SCHEMA
Hi guys,
Maybe we can help.
As David and Sam know I'm working on archetypes too and for now
I've created my very simplified version in an XML format that is
converted back and forth in David's OpenEMed COAS server. I've gone one
step further and added a front-end using the Apache Cocoon
webapplication framework which is based on XML and XSL transformations.
This results in a generic EHR system that we have tested with a small
group of users in the CVA-domain. We also tested how generic it is, by
implementing two other domains (AML patients in the hematology dept. and
registration of MRSA infections) and proved to be succesful.
So I have some knowledge of OpenEMed AND Archetypes and ADL and
XML and XSL and a little bit of XML Schema. ;-)
On the other hand: my coworker and roommate is involved in the
definition of HL7v3 DMIM/RMIM and messages for various aspects of the
primary care domain. These XML messages all validate against extensive
XML Schema's so we had our share of schema problems.
I must confess I don't follow the OpenEHR lists very closely,
but this caught my attention and it's nice to see familiar names.
I would very much welcome ADL expressed in XML and XML version
of properly defined archetypes. I too prefer Java to keep things
cross-platform. And both OpenEMed and Cocoon are written in Java, so
that made the choice of programming language easy for me.
Sorry for the rambling, but I'd very much like to see archetypes
get beyond the theoretical state and into working, preferably open
source, projects.
Bye, Helma
--
Helma van der Linden
Medical Informatics
University Maastricht
The Netherlands
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<mailto:owner-openehr-technical at openehr.org> ] On Behalf Of Sam Heard
Sent: Wednesday, 09 March 2005 23:11
To: openehr-technical at openehr.org
Subject: MCAFEE E-MAIL SCAN ALERT!~RE: ADL TO XML
SCHEMA
Attachment file :
openEHR-EHR-OBSERVATION.blood_pressure.v1.adl
Virus name: Heuristic - (Could be a new virus)
Action taken : Continued...
Dave
I am not familiar with Schematron. I have had a look on
the web, at some
tutorials etc - and it is available in the Oxygen editor
that I use.
Generally the openEHR approach has been to apply
archetypes to the
reference model in memory. This works well and is
proven.
What you are proposing, as far as I can see, might lead
to a schema for
a composition - where the schema met both the archetype
constraints and
the reference model schema.
It will be relatively easy to test this with something
like the blood
pressure archetype. At the moment I can only give you
XML data that fit
the RM schema - the archetype constraints are only
expressed in our in
memory objects. I enclose the archetype and data for
your information.
If we could spit out a schema based on a template (a
composition built
from a set of archetypes) and express the constraints in
the archetype,
this would be well received. It would mean that standard
compositions,
like a discharge summary or a laboratory report, could
be expressed as
XML schema + Schematron.
I believe this is worth investigating.
Cheers, Sam
David W. Forslund wrote:
> What I would like to do is automatically translate
from an ADL description
> to a schematron description. Hopefully, this is
semantically possible.
>
> Dave
> On Tue, March 8, 2005 5:58 pm, Sam Heard said:
>
>>David W. Forslund
>>
>>Good to see you sniffing around! The key issue for us
in ADL is that
>>Eiffel is not UNICODE compliant. There will be a
number of Java parsers
>>soon, and I hope a JAVA archetype editor.
>>
>>I am interested in what you can do with Schematron as
well as another
>>implementation route....keep me up to speed.
>>
>>Cheers, Sam
>>
>>>I've been looking at schematron for doing the
"equivalent" of archetype
>>>in
>>>a more general situation, particularly since there as
been no ADL parser
>>>available in Java. Schematron seems to be
reasonably popular for
>>>enforcing rules for XML data structures and there is
a variety of
>>>software
>>>available for using it.
>>>
>>>Dave
>>>On Tue, March 8, 2005 4:28 am, Gavin Brelstaff said:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Rahil Qamar wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Alfonso
>>>>>
>>>>>I can answer one of your questions for certain and
am not very sure
>>>>>about another one.
>>>>>
>>>>>Alfonso Mata wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>- Is it possible to obtain a XML-Schema based on
13606 from an ADL
>>>>>>file?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You can obtain an XML representation of the ADL
Archetype from the
>>>>>Archetype Editor but not an XML Schema. Atleast not
at the moment.
>>>>>However Im trying to write out a schema based on
the UML Archetype
>>>>>Object Model. Its not proving to be an easy task is
all I can say !
>>>>>I've
>>>>>done one version of the schema but its far from
perfect to generate a
>>>>>sensible XML. If you are interested in doing some
work on this we could
>>>>>collaborate.
>>>>
>>>>There are some less heavy ways of doing XML rule
checking that
>>>>avoid most of the irrational intricacies of the W3C
Schema.
>>>>Did you ever explore
>>>>Jim Clark's RelaxNG for schema validation of XML
structures,
>>>>and
>>>>Schematron for rules involving Co-occurance
relationships.
>>>>
>>>>That might be a way to go.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Gavin Brelstaff - BioMedical Area, CRS4 in Sardinia
>>>>Loc. Pixina Manna Edificio 1,
>>>>C.P. n.25, 09010 Pula (CA) Italy.
>>>>Email: gjb at crs4.it Phone:+39.070.9250.312
Fax:+39.070.9250.216
>>>>
>>>>-
>>>>If you have any questions about using this list,
>>>>please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>-
>>If you have any questions about using this list,
>>please send a message to d.lloyd at openehr.org
>>
>
>
>
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