Thanks Heather Sounds good, though my sense is that if the "clinical" workshop appears to have been allocated 6 hours (1.5 x4) and the "technical" (developers) workshop has 1.5 hours on Monday, there will be attendees on the Saturday that will want to get into the technical detail you want to avoid?
As the Saturday sessions are currently labelled openEHR I- IV in the "draft" programme we should be asking the organisers to amend the session titles to avoid confusion.. Building overlap between the final "openEHR in action" session on the Saturday and the developers session on the Monday sounds a good way to align. Awaiting some reaction from the technical side.... Regards Tony ________________________________ From: Heather Leslie [omowizard at gmail.com] On Behalf Of Heather Leslie [[email protected]] Sent: 13 May 2010 13:43 To: Shannon Tony (Leeds Teaching Hospitals NHS Trust) Cc: For openEHR clinical discussions; For openEHR technical discussions Subject: Re: Medinfo 2010 openEHR tutorial collision Hi Tony On 13/05/2010 9:17 AM, Tony Shannon wrote: Thanks Heather I see from the "clinical" proposal how the 4 sessions on the Saturday are to be split... Session 1: Introduction Break Session 2: Focus on Archetypes Lunch Session 3: Focus on Templates Break Session 4: openEHR in action My reading of this is that there will be a mix of clinical and technical language used to step through these sessions, As primary author, the original intent was to be focused on the engagement of clinicians and those with no openEHR background - a primer if you like - and to keep the technical content to a practical minimum, assuming that there would be an equivalent technical opportunity. Now that has not eventuated but as I said in the previous email, I need advice as to how much we can move from our accepted proposal - I suspect we are largely bound to it as is, but can see the flexibility to present more technical aspects within the context of the final session - openEHR in action. which if done well should be fine. #Suggestion #1 Within the clinical workshop, I expect novice clinicians to come with a common clinical requirement in mind and be keen to see how that ends up at the UI layer, where the vast majority of clinicians meets the technology.. ie 1.Assume we should be taking a common requirement, eg Patient Summary 2.explore related archetypes required, eg in CKM 3.creation of related template 4.exposure of said template at UI layer.. This is largely what was proposed as part of #3 - after a general introduction in session #1, and information about archetypes/CKM in #2, then we can showcase the templates with a practical example such as you suggest in #3 (While I'm cc'ing the technical list in here, how much technical debate do the technical community expect will be generated by this "clinical" proposal? The current state of the template spec and the challenge of translating archetypes and templates into the UI layer comes to mind and could get quite technical...) IMO this workshop is definitely not the place for this kind of discussion! Also my sense is that the developers session on the Monday will replay many of these issues, which is why I'm suggesting ... #Suggestion #2 we need to coordinate between these sessions to ensure a consistent message and the highlights from the pre-conference sessions can be "replayed" during the intra-conference session.. I would love to see the final session #4 especially be coordinated so that it can be a seamless segue into the technical session on the Monday Regards Heather Regards, Tony Heather Leslie wrote: I'm very happy to receive your advice on this. We have a great opportunity with the full day workshop and afternoon technical workshop, however I don't feel that we have total freedom to rearrange our proposed workshop plan. We have provided an outline of the proposed plan and included the statement that the full day clinical modelling workshop assumes no previous knowledge of openEHR, that it will be clinical modelling focused, clinicians are encouraged to attend, and there are explicit 'educational goals'. This information will be used by potential attendees to choose whether to attend or not, so to transform the program significantly is probably not advisable. The most flexibility is probably in the final session where we aim to show openEHR in real use. What are your suggestions in order to achieve best outcomes? Cheers Heather On 12/05/2010 7:53 AM, Tony Shannon wrote: Thanks Eric, Koray, Shinji, Heather, Seref, The way the programme outlines openEHR sessions looks ripe for potential confusion... A search of the draft programme by keyword highlights openEHR 5 times, (#1-4) openEHR sessions I-IV over the day on the Saturday 11th September (#5) openEHR developers session on the evening of Monday 13th September I'd suggest that the clinical and technical sides of the openEHR community need to agree between us how to blend our efforts together to get the best value for our time and those that want to come and learn. The best format that comes to mind would be to; -A) use to 4 sessions on the precongress tutorial on the Saturday 11th to explore how healthcare can change for the better with openEHR over those 4 sessions, by blending the "clinical workshop" proposal with the "openEHR developers workshop" proposal in successive stages over the day.. something along the lines of... Context & Intro re need for change; Clinical/Technical Requirements -->Design/Build --> and then Implementation + Clinical/Technical Benefits of openEHR -B) take the highlights of that day, with clinical + technical blend into a single session for replay on the Monday 13th, to the different audience that can be anticipated on that first day of the formal conference. I appreciate that might be seen to be disruptive of the existing proposals, but I'm sure they can be blended effectively. I'm thinking of the novice to openEHR who will want to come away with an understanding of how clinicians and technical folk can work together to get a job done and a view that the openEHR approach is the way to go... Happy to get bounced back on this. We havent had enough debate on this list of late, so again I'm trying to provoke! Regards, Tony Dr. Tony Shannon Consultant in Emergency Medicine, Leeds Teaching Hospitals Clinical Lead for Informatics, Leeds Teaching Hospitals Chair, Clinical Review Board, openEHR Foundation +44.789.988 5068 tony.shannon at nhs.net<mailto:tony.shannon at nhs.net> Erik Sundvall wrote: Hi! The recently published preliminary Medinfo 2010 programme at... http://www.medinfo2010.org/docs/Draft_Conference_Programme.pdf ...lists two openEHR tutorials in parallel... 1. OpenEHR I - IV (Saturday 11 September 9:00-17:00) 2. EHR implementation tips I-II (Saturday 11 September 9:00-12:30) If I understand the content of the tutorials correctly, these are renamed versions of the ones mentioned on... http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MedInfo+2010+-+South+Africa 1. Clinical Modeling Workshop Proposal 2. The openEHR developers' workshop If so, then I think it would be advantageous for somebody interested in openEHR to first attend 1 and then if they have a technical implementation interest to also attend 2. Is there an interest among the openEHR community in asking the organizing comitte to move #2 to sunday the 12:th instead or does it not matter for most of you? I'll send a copy of this mail to info at medinfo2010.org<mailto:info at medinfo2010.org> as an early notice, and then sum up the response from the lists and/or comments on http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MedInfo+2010+-+South+Africa in a follow up mail later. In addition to the reason above, about #2 partially building on understanding possible to gain in #1, it is also rather tricky flight-wise, but hopefully possible, for some of us involved in #2 to be there in time on the morning the 11:th. Best regards, Erik Sundvall erik.sundvall at liu.se<mailto:erik.sundvall at liu.se> http://www.imt.liu.se/~erisu/ Tel: +46-13-286733 _______________________________________________ openEHR-clinical mailing list openEHR-clinical at openehr.org<mailto:openEHR-clinical at openehr.org> http://lists.chime.ucl.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/openehr-clinical -- ******************************************************************************************************************** This message may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient please inform the sender that you have received the message in error before deleting it. 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