Ed,

I am sure you do not suffer the bad behaviour that I and many others 
have. As befits being a founding father of HL7, and many time chair, I 
am sure you are accorded proper respect. Unfortunately this doesn't 
happen for everyone. But that isn't my main complaint. My main 
complaints are about a) trying to do design by committee process and b) 
using wrong modelling approaches.

I have yet to meet the person who thinks that design by committee is 
proper design. Why do we have architecture and engineering schools all 
over the world in that case? Design of anything that matters just isn't 
done by holding meetings with randomly selected people. There are well 
recognised processes for software engineering, and well-understood 
competencies required to perform it. I guarantee you that the process 
that goes on at standards meetings do not come close. Proper design 
processes have a small number of people who work together to produce a 
coherent solution based on analysed requirements. Meetings of other 
competent people, following recognised processes specific to their 
activities may be used to discuss requirements, review, etc. But they 
don't create anything.

Better solutions are often found by disagreement, but it has to be 
between people with the basic competencies needed for the job at hand.

- thomas

On 25/11/2010 18:22, William E Hammond wrote:
> Your experiences are different than mine.  I must confess that I have not
> been in any HL7 meeting which included shouting down.  Disagreements - yes;
> but not shouting down.  In any case, The problem with kicking out the
> non-modelers is that I am not sure who defines the experts - we ourselves?
> I am not smart enough to think I know all the answers - or perhaps I should
> say I am smart enough to know that I do not know all the answers.  I
> strongly believe in the democratic process.  My knowledge of other
> approaches have always lead to disaster.  mI also have no problem with
> disagreements.  In fact, I think we find better solutions when we disagree.
> But disagreements demand respectful discussions.  I would think much of the
> world would not accept your comment about proper design.
> W. Ed Hammond, Ph.D.
> Director, Duke Center for Health Informatics
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