Hi Rene,
> 
> Hi Pablo,
> 
> > The first idea is on standarizing openEHR training, and to think about
> > an openEHR certification. I think this could be very good for the
> > community and for the openEHR organization too.
> > If we reach a standard minimal program for openEHR courses ...
> 
>  From experiences with an another standard (HL7) based training courses 
> I'd say it may be hard to reach consensus as to what the minimum should 
> be - there is a fair amount of difference between various countries, as 
> well as how one structures a (set of) training courses [e.g. 1 long one, 
> an introductory and an advanced], and the target audience [e.g. 
> clinical, hardcore programmers without any clinical knowledge].
> 
I know it will be difficult to reach consensus, but it's not impossible. 
Firstly, I think we (trainers) need to sit down and talk about what we think 
and what we want to do in/with our courses, until now I have not seen any 
discusions about how to standarize openEHR training and I've been in the 
openEHR community since 2006, and maybe this initiative could have a good 
outcome and be beneficial to the community.
Now we see many demands of the e-health community, from openEHR software tools, 
to openEHR training (there is place for everyone!), and I think we need to make 
a smart move as a community, because these are spreading & adoption 
opportunities for openEHR as a standard.
In my case, I think a openEHR course should include the core element: the dual 
model (IM+AM), at an "above basic" level, something to help students understand 
the concepts and let them continue investigating after the course ending. To do 
so, we need to include basic tooling use (I've included the use of the AR, 
ADLWB and our EHRGen). Maybe that is enough for a clinical modeler profile, but 
for a developer is not, they need to understand what to implement in software 
and in wich way. For that I've created a class on "how to implement openEHR in 
an information system", and I included two approaches: the binding approach 
(used by Opereffa project) and the autogeneration approach (used by the EHRGen 
framework). An introductory level course could leave out the tooling chapter.
> In general the most useful thing for all concerned is probably for the 
> standards organization to make a statement like "we know that trainer X 
> provides good quality training courses" [this aids the trainer in 
> selling the training course, it aids the prospective attendee as a 
> statement of quality, and it aids the standardization body because it 
> has a known list of educators it can refer to]. Determining who provides 
> a good quality training course may not always be that easy to quantify, 
> but in these relatively small standardization communities (whether 
> openEHR, HL7, DICOM, IHE, etcetera) the nomination for approval can be 
> backed up / seconded (or the reverse: "thumbed down") by other known 
> active volunteers.
For this community this is very difficult to evaluate, e.g. right now I think 
I'm the only guy doing an spanish openEHR course, and maybe I'm terrible as a 
trainer, but there's nobody else to compare with. Obviously, I could show the 
student's evaluation of my performance on the course, but I'm more concerned 
about giving a better course (and maybe an openEHR certification) to my 
students than comparing me with other trainers, since I want to collaborate 
with them to agree on some topics and ways of evaluation. I know that maybe 
this is not the way of SDOs, but I believe this should be the openEHR way.
I really want to get consensus and work on this subject in 2012 with anyone who 
want's to collabotare to improve openEHR training.
Does anyone think that a openehr-trainers mail list would be helpful to focus 
the discussion on those subjects?
Kind regards,Pablo.
> 
> TTYL,
> 
> -Rene
> 
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