On 27/03/2012 10:41, Grahame Grieve wrote:
> hi Ian
>
> It meets perfectly the requirements I was aware of at the time, but now I have
> a more perfect (ahh, less imperfect) knowledge. If I have a series of
> observations,
> I may provide some interpretation of them, that becomes the "observation".
> This occurs with several diagnostic tests. But these cases
> don't "summarise the entire history", in that they analyse the data.
> Perhaps I am splitting hairs, but isn't that what definitions are for? I'd
> like it relaxed a little.

can you post a Problem Report here 
<http://www.openehr.org/issues/browse/SPECPR>?

>
> And tooling support, too, of course ;-)  (though I suppose I could add
> that myself)
>
> Generally, in the NEHTA context, we've struggled with the openEHR RM here.
> Partly it's tooling (AE and CKM) - it doesn't support the things we want to 
> do.

is there a definitive list of shortcomings or unmet needs?

> We've ended up pretending that the event series doesn't exist in the
> observation RM
> for the purposes of the archetype, both (partly) in how the design was done,
> and (completely) in how we convert the archetype to a DCM.

what's a 'DCM' in Nehta?

>   Partly that was a
> pragmatic decision to do with tooling limitations, but it's not
> obvious to me that
> it would've played out differently if the tooling wasn't limited.

I assume there are not yet any Nehta archetypes for data that are 
natural time-series, like vital signs, Apgar, OGTT etc (I would expect 
the main openEHR ones of these to work fine).

>
> One issue I have is that the event series imposes the same data at each point,
> which is not necessarily the case.

well it is the case for the History/Event structure - by definition. If 
you have a situation where it is not the case - there are many! - then 
this is not the data structure to use; just use separate Observations 
(possibly with LINKs between them).

> And also, (back to protocol)
> repeating observations
> is protocol? (how they were each done), and this summary thing - is it 
> critical
> to display, or just an adjunct? Better just to model the content in
> data and be sure...

but in that case, you can think of the protocol section as just more 
data. Note that in 90% of archetypes, it is used in the originally 
intended way, so I would not want to destroy the coherence of the 90% 
for the sake of 10% ambiguous cases (which I still don't understand by 
the way).

- thomas

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