Bert, I'm aware of the definition and I use terms in a very specific way, I
said standard because that definition fits what openEHR is.
Anyway, we are not discussing definitions but a much broader subject: the board
being silent in front on community efforts that need them.
Pablo Pazoswww.CaboLabs.com
OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.
http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
ISO, What is a standard:
"A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications,
guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure
that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their purpose."
On 24-10-14 19:20, pablo pazos wrote:
> Thanks for your message Stefan.
>
> I understand the organizational time does not accompanies the time of
> the community needs.
>
> For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to spread the
> standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on the training side.
>
> Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also, and sometimes
> just saying "the foundation supports us" and have a web page with our
> name as "endorsed trainers" allows us to access places that we can't
> access alone, like government working groups. And training people in
> government is a great way of having the standard included in call for
> proposals for projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up.
> Then the industry will need people to work in delivering tools that
> implements the standard, and that people needs training, and so on.
> *We can create this virtuous circle but we need help.*
>
> For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard and for the
> openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the last 4 years that I'm
> giving the course in spanish. And others follow, like the openEHR-BR
> community, some of them were my students now they have their own
> openEHR course in portuguese (awesome!).
>
>
> I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues under the
> consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback from them.
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200
> From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at
> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com; openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
>
> Dear Pablo!
> Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation, "educators" working
> along providing training, trying to expain to the "institutional
> layer", asking the institution to take formal measures, so that
> training and probably even exams and certification are harmonised
> across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has sunk in,
> and we may see an IHE "Education" group sometime soon. This however
> took some years until both educators and "institutional layers" knew
> why and how they might benefit from each other.
> In that way I can understand your experience
> So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that "education"
> is a "political" issue.
>
> This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high!
> Greetings from Vienna,
> Stefan
> Stefan Sauermann
>
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> Am 23.10.2014 09:27, schrieb pablo pazos:
>
> Hi Sam,
>
> I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO that's the point
> of having the wiki pages and asking colleagues to add content,
> proposals and comments.
>
> I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want to collaborate
> in any way I can, but... as you an others may know, I asked
> several times for endorsement and support (not talking about
> money) from the foundation on the training side, to standardize
> the contents, to have a formal way of certification, and spread
> the standard, but the board went silent. I'm very pragmatic and I
> don't know why this is so difficult, for me this is treated in a
> very political way and should be something technical.
>
> With that being said, for me, talking about training under the
> foundation banner is at least weird.
>
> Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention this, but is how
> I honestly feel about the proposal.
>
> I long to see the work I try to do to create awareness about the
> standard to be supported by the foundation. To be honest, the only
> support I got is from the Chilean Association of Healthcare
> Informatics (ACHISA) with whom I'm very thankful because without
> them I wouldn't be able to create the first online course 100%
> about openEHR in spanish and provide it to more than 140 people
> from 15 countries.
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com <http://cabolabs.com/es/home>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
> <mailto:sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org>
> To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:48:00 +0000
> CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org>;
> openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>
>
> Hi All
>
> It would be good to coordinate this and try and get a full range
> of options available - clinical and technical.
> Clearly there are a few people who have already done work in South
> America who might want to coordinate.
>
> I would hope that we may be able to get a key note if we are able
> to promote this idea. Perhaps a group of speakers on what they are
> doing with openEHR under the Foundation banner.
>
> I am very interested to know who will be attending and would like
> to present on any openEHR activity. I am happy to coordinate and
> make this list available to anyone interested.
>
> sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
> <mailto:sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org>
>
> Cheers, Sam
>
> *From:* Shinji KOBAYASHI <mailto:skoba at moss.gr.jp>
> *Sent:* ?Wednesday?, ?22? ?October? ?2014 ?12?:?46? ?AM
> *To:* For openEHR clinical discussions
> <mailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>
> *Cc:* For openEHR technical discussions
> <mailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org>, For openEHR
> implementation discussions
> <mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>
>
> Hi Pablo, and all
>
> Thank you for cooperation. I am working on the developers' workshop
> proposal based on the last proposal to MEDINFO2013. Please modify and
> add your description for your project.
> The Spanish tutorial sounds muy bien.
>
> Shinji
>
>
> 2014-10-21 23:06 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com>
> <mailto:pazospablo at hotmail.com>:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I was about to send a message to the lists to coordinate the
> tutorials
> > topics to minimize overlap.
> >
> > Thanks for creating the page Shinji! That will help a lot for
> doing that
> > coordination.
> >
> > I'll add a list of topics and anyone can mark his/her preference
> for giving
> > a tutorial about it, so we can detect collisions.
> >
> >
> > For the spanish speakers, the MedInfo organization wants to have
> some
> > tutorials in spanish to encourage the LatAm community to
> participate in the
> > conference. Also until december they have a preferential price
> for LatAm
> > colleagues (still pricey but it's MedInfo :).
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Pablo.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> > http://cabolabs.com
> >
> >> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp <mailto:skoba at moss.gr.jp>
> >> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:56:46 +0900
> >> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> >> To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org>
> >> CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>;
> >> openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>
> >
> >>
> >> Dear colleagues,
> >>
> >> I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the
> developers'
> >> workshop 2015 page.
> >> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015
> >>
> >> Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe
> your plan?
> >>
> >>
> >> Shinji KOBAYASHI
> >>
> >> 2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com>
> <mailto:pazospablo at hotmail.com>:
> >> > Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk
> with her and
> >> > her
> >> > fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.
> >> >
> >> > BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop
> >> > focused on
> >> > openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest,
> another one
> >> > focused
> >> > on UI: generation, manipulation, processing, models, etc. (we're
> >> > presenting
> >> > a paper on this topic at the InfoLac congress, this year is
> in Uruguay!
> >> > lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> >> > http://cabolabs.com
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> > From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com
> <mailto:sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com>
> >> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>;
> >> > openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> >> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 +0000
> >> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Pablo
> >> >
> >> > I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an
> academic/industry
> >> > forum
> >> > prior to MedInfo?
> >> >
> >> > Cheers Sam
> >> >
> >> > Sent from Windows Mail
> >> >
> >> > From: pablo pazos
> >> > Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM
> >> > To: For openEHR clinical discussions, For openEHR technical
> discussions
> >> > Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for the info Heather!
> >> >
> >> > I think we should do something similar to the previous
> workshops for
> >> > devs,
> >> > something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with
> >> > archetypes
> >> > in software (parsing, processing, validating data, extracting
> paths,
> >> > etc),
> >> > and more specific topics for skilled openEHR devs
> (persistence options,
> >> > REST
> >> > APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation, ...).
> >> >
> >> > I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can
> program live and
> >> > help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software
> >> > development:
> >> > lose the fear of archetypes.
> >> >
> >> > Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should
> we submit
> >> > the
> >> > proposals individualy and then organize or should we
> coordinate and make
> >> > one
> >> > proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> >> > http://cabolabs.com
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> > From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com
> <mailto:heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com>
> >> > To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org>;
> >> > openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>
> >> > Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> >> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 +0000
> >> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>
> >> >
> >> > Hi Pablo,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki:
> >> > http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > See Medinfo 2013:
> >> >
> >> >
>
> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark
>
> <http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen%2c+Denmark>.
> >> > 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling
> focussed and
> >> > the
> >> > other technical
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Heather
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > From: openEHR-technical
> >> > [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at lists.openehr.org]
> >> > On Behalf Of pablo pazos
> >> > Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM
> >> > To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical
> >> > Cc: openehr implementers
> >> > Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Hi Shinji!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR
> developer's
> >> > workshops?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of
> >> > introduction
> >> > workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for
> skilled openEHR
> >> > devs.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about
> ideas would
> >> > be
> >> > the openEHR wiki.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> >> > http://cabolabs.com
> >> >
> >> > ________________________________
> >> >
> >> > From: skoba at moss.gr.jp <mailto:skoba at moss.gr.jp>
> >> > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16 +0900
> >> > Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> >> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org>
> >> > CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org>;
> >> > openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> <mailto:openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org>
> >> >
> >> > Hi Pablo and all,
> >> >
> >> > We had developers' workshop at Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I
> >> > organized
> >> > developers' workshop 2010, and 2013.
> >> >
> >> > I think the combination of clinical workshop/tutorial half
> day and
> >> > developers' workshop half day would be better.
> >> >
> >> > I have to write up until the tutorial/workshop dead line, 15
> Jan, 2015.
> >> >
> >> > Shinji KOBAYASHI
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos
> <pazospablo at hotmail.com> <mailto:pazospablo at hotmail.com>:
> >> >
> >> > Hi all!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Since next MedInfo is in Brazil (near Uruguay) I'll be
> attending for
> >> > sure. I
> >> > also might present a paper or two and want to propose an
> openEHR related
> >> > tutorial.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Is other people planning to present openEHR papers or
> tutorials? It
> >> > would be
> >> > great if we can coordinate tutorials (and topics) together so
> we can
> >> > have
> >> > our "openEHR day" at MedInfo.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > What do you think?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We have 1 year to plan this, and that's not a lot of time!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I hope we can join forces and do something nice for the south
> american
> >> > openEHR community. We are eager to learn from others that
> already have
> >> > openEHR working in the real world, and learn from their
> success and
> >> > failures.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Kind regards,
> >> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> >> > http://cabolabs.com
> >> >
> >> >
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