Dear All,
Just need to be carefull about endorsing, that?s all. I can say.
Just to ensure the quality of the work done internationally.
I see the endorsement as a commercial thing rather than a quality measure at
this point.
This observation is based on experience with more than twenty three developing
countries.
Cheers Carol
LATAM
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 17:57:58 +0100
From: [email protected]
To: pazospablo at hotmail.com
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org; openehr-implementers at
lists.openehr.org; openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
Hello!
If you are talking about "endorsed trainers" then you VERY CLEARY
need to define
- what is training
- what is a trainer
- what is endorsed
- how do you get endorsed.
Otherwise very likely somebody will be angry, because
- they are not on the list of "endorsed trainers"
- they feel that the "endorsed trainers" are not as clever as
themselves
- .....
So: Similar to standards for software you will also need to define
standards / guidelines for
- the intended learning outcome
- different levels of expertise (e.g "certified professional
openEHR - basic level", "CP openEHR - advanced level" , ...)
- the methods for assessment
- methods for training
- ......
Having been through this all let me summarise
- it seems sensible to start by defining a "basic" skill level
- to then define the learning outcomes of that skill level
- to then define an exam for that skill level
- to formally provide exams
from there on you can
- extend to "advanced" skill levels, and specialised skill sets
- go on by defining / offering training, courses, trainers etc.
This is no piece of cake. It will not happen in 3 weeks. Along the
way you will need to "harmonise" the views of many individuals. We
all know that to "harmonise" consumes substantial resources.
This draws from first hand experience on certifying personal
skills in the fields of software testing and IT interoperability
in healthcare, as well as from years of teaching and building
study programs in biomedical engineering.
Hope this helps,
greetings from Vienna,
Stefan
Stefan Sauermann
Program Director
Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master)
University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien
Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria
P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988
M: +43 664 6192555
E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at
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I: www.healthy-interoperability.at
Am 24.10.2014 19:20, schrieb pablo pazos:
Thanks for your message Stefan.
I understand the organizational time does not accompanies
the time of the community needs.
For me is very odd that in one hand the Foundation wants to
spread the standard but in the other do not endorse anyone on
the training side.
Educators & trainers want to spread the standard also,
and sometimes just saying "the foundation supports us" and
have a web page with our name as "endorsed trainers" allows us
to access places that we can't access alone, like government
working groups. And training people in government is a great
way of having the standard included in call for proposals for
projects, and that leads to the industry to catch up. Then the
industry will need people to work in delivering tools that
implements the standard, and that people needs training, and
so on. We can create this virtuous circle but we need
help.
For me, training is the best way of spreading the standard
and for the openEHR-ES community that seem to work for the
last 4 years that I'm giving the course in spanish. And others
follow, like the openEHR-BR community, some of them were my
students now they have their own openEHR course in portuguese
(awesome!).
I'm not sure what's the formal way of putting these issues
under the consideration of the board(s) and get any feedback
from them.
--
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:52:22 +0200
From: sauermann at technikum-wien.at
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
CC: pazospablo at hotmail.com;
openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Dear Pablo!
Within IHE wee seem to have a similar situation,
"educators" working along providing training, trying to
expain to the "institutional layer", asking the
institution to take formal measures, so that training and
probably even exams and certification are harmonised
across subgroups and regions. Over the years something has
sunk in, and we may see an IHE "Education" group sometime
soon. This however took some years until both educators
and "institutional layers" knew why and how they might
benefit from each other.
In that way I can understand your experience
So: There seems to be independent multi-site evidence that
"education" is a "political" issue.
This may help or not, let us all keep the spirit high!
Greetings from Vienna,
Stefan
Stefan Sauermann
Program Director
Biomedical Engineering Sciences (Master)
University of Applied Sciences Technikum Wien
Hoechstaedtplatz 5, 1200 Vienna, Austria
P: +43 1 333 40 77 - 988
M: +43 664 6192555
E: stefan.sauermann at technikum-wien.at
I: www.technikum-wien.at/mbe
I: www.technikum-wien.at/ibmt
I: www.healthy-interoperability.at
Am 23.10.2014 09:27, schrieb pablo pazos:
Hi Sam,
I think we are coordinating this already :) IMO
that's the point of having the wiki pages and asking
colleagues to add content, proposals and comments.
I think the idea of a key note is great, and I want
to collaborate in any way I can, but... as you an
others may know, I asked several times for endorsement
and support (not talking about money) from the
foundation on the training side, to standardize the
contents, to have a formal way of certification, and
spread the standard, but the board went silent. I'm
very pragmatic and I don't know why this is so
difficult, for me this is treated in a very political
way and should be something technical.
With that being said, for me, talking about
training under the foundation banner is at least
weird.
Maybe this is not a good place or time to mention
this, but is how I honestly feel about the proposal.
I long to see the work I try to do to create
awareness about the standard to be supported by the
foundation. To be honest, the only support I got is
from the Chilean Association of Healthcare Informatics
(ACHISA) with whom I'm very thankful because without
them I wouldn't be able to create the first online
course 100% about openEHR in spanish and provide it to
more than 140 people from 15 countries.
--
Kind regards,
Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
http://cabolabs.com
From: sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:48:00 +0000
CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
Hi All
It would be good to coordinate this and try
and get a full range of options available -
clinical and technical.
Clearly there are a few people who have
already done work in South America who might
want to coordinate.
I would hope that we may be able to get a key
note if we are able to promote this idea.
Perhaps a group of speakers on what they are
doing with openEHR under the Foundation banner.
I am very interested to know who will be
attending and would like to present on any
openEHR activity. I am happy to coordinate and
make this list available to anyone interested.
sam.heard at openehrfoundation.org
Cheers, Sam
From: Shinji
KOBAYASHI
Sent: ?Wednesday?, ?22? ?October?
?2014 ?12?:?46? ?AM
To: For
openEHR clinical discussions
Cc: For
openEHR technical discussions, For
openEHR implementation discussions
Hi Pablo,
and all
Thank you for cooperation. I am working on the
developers' workshop
proposal based on the last proposal to
MEDINFO2013. Please modify and
add your description for your project.
The Spanish tutorial sounds muy bien.
Shinji
2014-10-21 23:06 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos <pazospablo at
hotmail.com>:
> Hi!
>
> I was about to send a message to the
lists to coordinate the tutorials
> topics to minimize overlap.
>
> Thanks for creating the page Shinji! That
will help a lot for doing that
> coordination.
>
> I'll add a list of topics and anyone can
mark his/her preference for giving
> a tutorial about it, so we can detect
collisions.
>
>
> For the spanish speakers, the MedInfo
organization wants to have some
> tutorials in spanish to encourage the
LatAm community to participate in the
> conference. Also until december they have
a preferential price for LatAm
> colleagues (still pricey but it's MedInfo
:).
>
>
> Cheers,
> Pablo.
>
>
> --
> Kind regards,
> Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> http://cabolabs.com
>
>> From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
>> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 22:56:46 +0900
>> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR
tutorials
>> To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
>> CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org;
>> openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
>
>>
>> Dear colleagues,
>>
>> I updated Wiki description about
MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers'
>> workshop 2015 page.
>>
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015
>>
>> Could you all please take a look and
add comments or describe your plan?
>>
>>
>> Shinji KOBAYASHI
>>
>> 2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo
pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com>:
>> > Of course! I should have think
of Jussara before. I'll talk with her and
>> > her
>> > fellow openEHR.br colleagues to
see if we can get this organized.
>> >
>> > BTW, just to start the
coordination I would like to do a workshop
>> > focused on
>> > openEHR data store and query.
And if there's interest, another one
>> > focused
>> > on UI: generation, manipulation,
processing, models, etc. (we're
>> > presenting
>> > a paper on this topic at the
InfoLac congress, this year is in Uruguay!
>> > lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
>> > http://cabolabs.com
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com
>> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org;
>> > openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
>> > Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015
openEHR tutorials
>> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32
+0000
>> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Pablo
>> >
>> > I wonder if Jusara could
organise a submeeting in an academic/industry
>> > forum
>> > prior to MedInfo?
>> >
>> > Cheers Sam
>> >
>> > Sent from Windows Mail
>> >
>> > From: pablo pazos
>> > Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August?
?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM
>> > To: For openEHR clinical
discussions, For openEHR technical discussions
>> > Cc: For openEHR implementation
discussions
>> >
>> > Thanks for the info Heather!
>> >
>> > I think we should do something
similar to the previous workshops for
>> > devs,
>> > something simple to get
newcomers to understand how to work with
>> > archetypes
>> > in software (parsing,
processing, validating data, extracting paths,
>> > etc),
>> > and more specific topics for
skilled openEHR devs (persistence options,
>> > REST
>> > APIs, querying, reporting, UI
generation, ...).
>> >
>> > I would love to see a hands-on
tutorial in which we can program live and
>> > help newcomers to pass the first
barrier in openEHR software
>> > development:
>> > lose the fear of archetypes.
>> >
>> > Also I would like to know how we
want to present this, should we submit
>> > the
>> > proposals individualy and then
organize or should we coordinate and make
>> > one
>> > proposal with all the
workshops/tutorials?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
>> > http://cabolabs.com
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com
>> > To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
>> > openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
>> > Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015
openEHR tutorials
>> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59
+0000
>> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>> >
>> > Hi Pablo,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We have kept info on Conferences
in the wiki:
>> >
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > See Medinfo 2013:
>> >
>> >
http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-+Copenhagen,+Denmark.
>> > 2 half day sessions were held
then ? one clinical modelling focussed and
>> > the
>> > other technical
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Heather
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: openEHR-technical
>> > [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at
lists.openehr.org]
>> > On Behalf Of pablo pazos
>> > Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014
12:14 AM
>> > To: openeh technical; openEHR
Clinical
>> > Cc: openehr implementers
>> > Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015
openEHR tutorials
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Shinji!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > By chance, do you have the
agendas of the previous openEHR developer's
>> > workshops?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > It would be nice to see what has
been done, do a little bit of
>> > introduction
>> > workshops for beginners and do
some new cool stuff for skilled openEHR
>> > devs.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > BTW, maybe a good place to
coordinate and share info about ideas would
>> > be
>> > the openEHR wiki.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
>> > http://cabolabs.com
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
>> > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10:25:16
+0900
>> > Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015
openEHR tutorials
>> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
>> > CC: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
>> > openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
>> >
>> > Hi Pablo and all,
>> >
>> > We had developers' workshop at
Medinfo2007, 2010 and 2013, and I
>> > organized
>> > developers' workshop 2010, and
2013.
>> >
>> > I think the combination of
clinical workshop/tutorial half day and
>> > developers' workshop half day
would be better.
>> >
>> > I have to write up until the
tutorial/workshop dead line, 15 Jan, 2015.
>> >
>> > Shinji KOBAYASHI
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2014-07-29 13:52 GMT+09:00 pablo
pazos <pazospablo at hotmail.com>:
>> >
>> > Hi all!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Since next MedInfo is in Brazil
(near Uruguay) I'll be attending for
>> > sure. I
>> > also might present a paper or
two and want to propose an openEHR related
>> > tutorial.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Is other people planning to
present openEHR papers or tutorials? It
>> > would be
>> > great if we can coordinate
tutorials (and topics) together so we can
>> > have
>> > our "openEHR day" at MedInfo.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > What do you think?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > We have 1 year to plan this, and
that's not a lot of time!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I hope we can join forces and do
something nice for the south american
>> > openEHR community. We are eager
to learn from others that already have
>> > openEHR working in the real
world, and learn from their success and
>> > failures.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kind regards,
>> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
>> > http://cabolabs.com
>> >
>> >
>> >
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