On Mon, 2019-03-18 at 10:26 -0500, Mark Hatle wrote:
> Let me start out with, I'm not against this proposal.
> 
> But, I want to mention the cases in my experience where people get
> upset with version numbers changing.
> 
> 1) "Regulated devices".  For some reason there are a class of devices
> where some sort of government regulation says you have to re-certify
> the device if internal components change version numbers.  So for
> these users they would rather the version number never change, and
> all contents be backported.  (Even if the backport effectively
> changes the software base other then the version number.)
> 
> Fortunately a lot of these industries are changing, and focusing our
> policy on allowing someone to workaround a specific regulation seems
> like a bad idea.

Exactly. This is a case where "someone" needs to go and educate them
that their regulations/policies no longer align with best industry
practise. Allowing version changes in the core of the project stable
policy is actually an important part of spreading acknowledgement of
this.

> 2) Business reasons.  Customers who are so risk adverse that they
> believe every
> commit needs to be validated before they can possible accept the
> upgrade.
> Focusing on backports gives them the confidence that they are able to
> review all
> of the changes that a minor (stable version) upgrade does may not.
> 
> Perhaps becomes part of the criteria we use for stable version
> upgrades?  Stable
> versions have bug fixes that are in a small enough quantity that they
> can be
> reviewed?
> 
> Along those lines, perhaps our policy should be to include with a
> stable upgrade
> a changelog or other list of the upstream changes in our own commit
> logs to help
> reassure these users?

If we have resources to do that, sure but I see it as a nice to have.
Where there is a known good source of data I am strongly in favour that
we trust the upstream (e.g. kernel-stable, openssl, webkit).

To give more context, do you/I really think we have a better idea of a
fix that the kernel maintainers themselves?

Cheers,

Richard


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