On Sat, 2022-06-04 at 17:12 +0200, Jacob Kroon wrote:
> On 6/4/22 16:55, Khem Raj wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 6:23 AM Richard Purdie 
> > <[email protected] 
> > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> > 
> >     On Sat, 2022-06-04 at 13:36 +0100, Richard Purdie via
> >     lists.yoctoproject.org <http://lists.yoctoproject.org> wrote:
> >      > On Sat, 2022-06-04 at 13:51 +0200, Alexander Kanavin wrote:
> >      > > Here's something I didn't think of before. Has this occurred
> >     anywhere
> >      > > else except Ubuntu 18.04?
> >      >
> >      > https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14096
> >     <https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14096>
> >      >
> >      > I'm struggling to get the data out from the old builds, one mentions
> >      > ubuntu1604, there is an ubuntu1804 on both x86 and arm hosts.
> >      >
> >      > It is possible this is an ubuntu specific make issue or a make bug.
> > 
> >     Ubuntu 18.04 uses make 4.1 which is old (Oct 2014).
> > 
> >     I noticed these patches from 2016:
> > 
> >     
> > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/make.git/commit/?id=9bb994e8319c2b153cd3d6d61e2c2882895e7c3a
> >     
> > <https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/make.git/commit/?id=9bb994e8319c2b153cd3d6d61e2c2882895e7c3a>
> >     
> > https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/make.git/commit/?id=4762480ae9cb8df4878286411f178d32db14eff0
> >     
> > <https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/make.git/commit/?id=4762480ae9cb8df4878286411f178d32db14eff0>
> > 
> >     I think we may want to mandate a modern make for both this class of
> >     issues and also perhaps for better loadavg support to keep load under
> >     control on the autobuilders.
> > 
> >     I'm torn, on the one hand we need to test the distros people use, on
> >     the other we do need to remove sources of intermittent issues. I think
> >     this bug must be some issue with make itself.
> > 
> >     Adding a make-native dependency to perl would "hurt" people on modern
> >     distros...
> > 
> > 
> > Make perhaps does not have many complex dependency needs so it might not 
> > be as bad
> > 
> 
> My master build is already building make-native due to a dependency from 
> glibc, since 2018:
> 
> https://git.openembedded.org/openembedded-core/commit/?id=0cd89e4af625941f8ab8c033f72f900a2979b304
> 
> Don't know if that dependency is still valid though.

It is a fair point. We may as well add it to perl/perl-native. Centos7
still has make 3.82 but I think we now already require buildtools
tarball there so we could probably drop the glibc dependency on make-
native now.

Cheers,

Richard
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