Hi,

If you are having the connection to AP come and go, you are probably
having a connection.  Question is why is the AP disconnecting.  Look
at the log of the controller.  That should say something.

Regards
KK

On 10 May 2012 12:30, Dan Talayco <dtala...@stanford.edu> wrote:
> Sorry for the non-specific response.
>
> The main thing you want (need) to avoid is having the traffic for an
> OpenFlow controller connection travel over a data plane that is itself
> controlled by the same connection.  In theory this can be made to work, but
> probably not without firmware changes to one or more of the devices
> involved.
>
> -Dan
>
> On Thursday, May 10, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Heming Wen wrote:
>
> Hi KK,
>
> Thanks for the heads up. I am currently trying approach #1 (using extra
> switch to connect everything under 1 subnet). Before doing that though, I
> was trying to test the connection between nox and the PC engine AP. When I
> was using pyswitch to test the connection, it seems that the AP's connection
> to the controller is constantly on and off (join and left the network
> constantly). I am not sure if this is the normal behavior because pyswitch
> probably was not designed for controlling the APs. Right now, the AP keeps
> disconnecting from the controller. However, it did recognize the DPID I set
> for the AP (which was "1").
>
> I am not sure if this is because I am using pyswitch instead of the intended
> OpenRoads controller. I will be using a different controller eventually but
> I wanted to know if there was something wrong with the AP-controller
> connection to start off with.
>
> Thank you again,
>
> Heming
> ________________________________________
> From: yap...@gmail.com [yap...@gmail.com] on behalf of kk yap
> [yap...@stanford.edu]
> Sent: May 10, 2012 13:55
> To: Heming Wen
> Cc: Dan Talayco; openflow-discuss@lists.stanford.edu
> Subject: Re: [openflow-discuss] OpenRoads controller link with PC Engine AP
>
> Hi Heming,
>
> Some comments inline.
>
> Regards
> KK
>
> On 10 May 2012 09:18, Heming Wen <heming....@mail.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi KK,
>
> In terms of physical hardware, I believe we have the exact same set of
> hardware mentioned in the Stanford OpenRoads testbed. We are using PC Engine
> AP and Pronto 3290 switches with Indigo installed. Right now, a controller
> VM is running on a PC workstation connected to the management port of the
> Pronto switch. Using simple pyswitch.py controller to detect devices, a
> successful connection has been established between the switch and the
> controller.
>
> When you say "make sure the controller is also accessible to the AP on the
> datapath", I am not extremely sure about the approach I should take. Do you
> mean using a second switch (a smaller one, D-Link desktop switch for
> instance) to connect the control port of the switch, the port of the Pc
> workstation controller and the switching plane of the switch (on which the
> AP is attached) together?
>
>
> This should work in theory. I assume Indigo allows this. Dan should
> be able to comment on this. It is setting up an out-of-band control
> network.
>
> Or do you mean by having an extra network card installed on the controller
> PC in order to be connected to both the control port of the switch and the
> switching plane (using two subnets).
>
>
> Yes, this is what Dan was describing and we have done this before.
> With a NEC though.
>
> Or are you referring to something else entirely? Is it possible for us to
> use the same approach you used in your setup so we can recreate it?
>
>
> We had this setup in various forms over time, using different switches
> and APs. There isn't a "particularly right" way to do this. It all
> depends on the equipment you have at hand and what you are trying to
> do.
>
>
> Sorry for asking so many questions at once as I am still relatively new with
> networking in general.
>
> Thank you for your swift response and support.
>
> Heming
> ________________________________________
> From: yap...@gmail.com [yap...@gmail.com] on behalf of kk yap
> [yap...@stanford.edu]
> Sent: May 9, 2012 22:19
> To: Heming Wen
> Cc: Dan Talayco; openflow-discuss@lists.stanford.edu
> Subject: Re: [openflow-discuss] OpenRoads controller link with PC Engine AP
>
> Hi Heming,
>
> One way is to have only the AP in inband mode. Get your switch to the
> controller, then make sure the controller is also accessible to the AP
> on the datapath. We have had such a setup before. It should work.
>
> Regards
> KK
>
> On 9 May 2012 18:42, Heming Wen <heming....@mail.mcgill.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi Dan,
>
> Actually, I was wondering about how the OpenRoads deployment was setup. I
> thought the APs were attached to the OpenFlow switches? Or are they not
> Pronto switches? In other words, how is the OpenRoads controller setup in
> order to control both the switches and the AP at the same time?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Heming
> ________________________________________
> From: Dan Talayco [dan.tala...@bigswitch.com] on behalf of Dan Talayco
> [dtala...@stanford.edu]
> Sent: May 9, 2012 18:00
> To: Heming Wen
> Cc: openflow-discuss@lists.stanford.edu
> Subject: Re: [openflow-discuss] OpenRoads controller link with PC Engine AP
>
> I believe you're basically asking the switch to route (or at least switch)
> between the management port and the dataplane. The short answer is that the
> switch won't do this and it's not planned to be supported.
>
> You probably want "physical in-band management" where the Pronto switch is
> managed by a connection accessed through a data plane port. This feature is
> not yet fully supported on the Pronto platforms, although some people are
> working with it now. Note that although physically on a dataplane port, the
> connection may still be logically separated from the OpenFlow controlled
> traffic.
>
> If you take this approach (of physical in-band) would you expect to be able
> to dedicate a VLAN to management (including the controller traffic)? The
> alternative is to have OpenFlow controlling the traffic to the controller,
> something that has enough pitfalls that no one has really gotten it to work
> reliably.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Heming Wen wrote:
>
> Greetings,
>
> We are currently setting up a basic Openflow Wireless testbed with three PC
> Engine AP and a Pronto 3290 switch in our labs. We have a few questions
> regarding the connection between the elements:
>
> 1) There are three controller path setups possible: L3 inband, tunneling and
> L2 inband. If we want to setup a small demo (n-casting for instance), is
> there a preference for a particular configuration?
>
> 2) How must the Openflow controller connected to the network in order to
> control the AP? Right now, the openflow controller is connected to the
> special ethernet port of the Pronto switch (in order to control the switch).
> The default pyswitch controller can detect the Indigo/Pronto switch.
> However, the AP is connected to the switching plane of the Pronto switch. Is
> there a way to access the switching plane ports from the control port or
> must the controller be connected in a different fashion? Right now, pinging
> doesn't work between the switching plane and the control plane.
>
> Thank you for your help,
>
> Heming
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