I have had some email technical problems over the years were the list wouldn't let send mail but the subscribe functions thought that I was still a subscriber and Dave and Brian were able to fix me up.
Todd Smith -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Dal Molin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 20:07 PM To: openhealth Subject: Re: mysteriously missing Care2x messages Antas, Have you contacted Brian Bray directly regarding this problem? He is the only person with access to the openhealth list management interface since Dave Scott passed away and therefore is the only possible "reviewer" or list moderator and the only person who can fix any technical glitch that might be causing this. Given your concerns and if you haven't already emailed Brian regarding this problem then I suggest you do so and cc the openhealth list via an email address that isn't being rejected. I would be extremely surprised if this wasn't just a simple technical problem. Cheers, Joseph On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 19:11, Andrew Ho wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am not sure why some/all messages from Antas are not being > successfully published to the OpenHealth list. He is a subscriber and > receives messages from the List. Before jumping to the conclusion that he > is being singled-out for censorship, I am forwarding his message to the > list (with his prior permission). > Hopefully this problem can be fixed - because I know he wants to > contribute to our discussions and I know we can all benefit from his > membership in our community! > Certainly, if censorship is really going on, we all need to know and > make the necessary repairs in order to protect our community. On the other > hand, if this is due to an unintended technical glitch, then we must > protect the good reputation of the OpenHealth List by removing this > mis-understanding. > > Best regards, > > Andrew > --- > Andrew P. Ho, M.D. > Assistant Clinical Professor, Department of Psychiatry > Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, UCLA > OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes > www.TxOutcome.Org > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 00:04:42 +0000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Andrew Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Open Health List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Minoru's openhealth-list censored? > > Andrew Ho wrote: > > > Could you kindly send or post to a public web-site your messages that > > are known to have been censored by OpenHealth list admin? I am interested > > in reading what you and your colleagues have written. > > Thank you for your quick response. A couple of the affected messages are > being attached to the end of this email. This very email is being both > CCed and sent directly to the openhealth list > > > Are you able to receive messages from the OpenHealth list? > > Yes. Every email address registered at openhealth-list at > minoru-development.com is receiving (all) the list emails. That includes > those addresses that are being censored and from which that list does not > accept email feedback. > > We are also able to post to the list through other email addresses. But > these are low profile email addresses until now not identified as Care2x > Project related. > > You may even reproduce it if you have access to the inner workings of an > mail server. Just try this: create an email; change its header 'from' or > 'reply-to fields' to include, for instance, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' or > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; change its 'to' field to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; save it and let your mail server > process it; wait a couple of hours/days... and you will have it back as > 'Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender'. > > The process of being censored out is reproducible. It seems that all > what is needed is some evidence based criticism to, at least, two well > identified members that are among the top 10 most active participants of > that list. > > I just imagine this in a reviewing board of one of our craft magazines... > Perhaps this is a strange mind kind peer reviewing technique... quite > medieval thing, but it could be... in Portugal we had the 'holy > inquisition'... We are preparing some topics, for LinuxMedNews, about > Minoru's openhealth list not-so-open attitude... If Minoru does not, or is > not able to, maintain quality control over their email list reviewers and > maintainers, they should not actively market it as open and free (as in > freedom). Something for the fair trade commission? They at least deserve > all the attention that we will be able to gather. > > > Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention. > > You are welcome. > > Best Regards, > > J. Antas > > --- MESSAGE 1 ------------------------------------- > > Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > > > I have been studying/developing/improving a project called Open > Infrastructure for Outcomes > > We think that the OIO concept is simple and clever and we are following > that project. We already offered our efforts to Andrew Ho in order to > make it compatible with Care2x > > > We have developed it now into a Knoppix based EMR system > > We were following that also and we are trying to do the same > > > I knew of one such system - VistA. I was ignorant? > > I still believe that the Vista Project is the most perfect, robust and > well tested system available (open sourced or not). > What we needed was a kind of modern, preferable non-US, Vista software. > And we started doing just that... > > That is why Care2x is web based, platform independent, made with pretty > standard and widely known and used languages (php and javascript: almost > all web sites are using those languages). > > Where Vista needs its own user interface Care2x uses the widely > available web paradigm, i.e., any of the available web browsers. > > Where Vista uses its own language and database management system > (M and M based DBMS) Care2x uses the above mentioned languages and most > of the currently available DBMS (open source or commercial). And there > is nothing special about that as all what we have done was to use the > third party already available ADOdb DBMS abstraction layer library, > which does its own job of dealing with most DBMS, be it MSSQL, > postgresSQL, Oracle, IBM DB2, or whatever. > > Where Vista needs its own data transport protocol Care2x uses plain and > simple HTTPS (done with OpenSSH and SSH libs) over TCP/IP. > > Care2x uses the well tested Apache web server to serve its contents, and > so on... > > Sure we are graphically more intuitive. Sure we are more user friendly, > but that's only because we are using the same current technologies that > are being used today to develop any web site. It is written any where > that a good HIS must be boringly text based or graphically badly done. > > We have more then a handful of developers... that must surely be related > to the fact that we are using widely used paradigm and easy to use > software tools so that almost everybody that has already done any work > to the web will also be able to help us. > > And last we do not enter endless "what standard is better" like what > anglosaxons tend to favor. > > > > --- MESSAGE 2 ------------------------------------- > > Wayne Wilson wrote: > > >> I agree. Indeed i received an email saying myemails to the list as > of some others were being censored? > > > > .../... I don't know of any censoring on this list and if there has > been I would like to know about it! > > .../... We have been most blessed on this list by not having the > kinds of personal attacks that cause list moderators to censor and thus > create firestorms of free speech controversies. To the best of my > knowledge there is not a moderated list. Any problems with messages are > probably mail system problems or technical list problems. > > > SOME OF THE MESSAGES TO THE OPENHEALTH-LIST ARE BEING CENSORED. > > It is not related to particular mail system problems nor technical list > problems. > It seems to be related with specific e-mail addresses and e-mail subjects. > It seems that it is not related to any of the List Usage Guidelines > policy, nor were any of the affected users even warned of any guidelines > transgression. > > I am asking fellow colleagues to help further monitoring this. We will > provide full logs and concrete examples of this behavior by private > emailing specific members of the openhealth-list. > > Of course we will be avoiding to directly email the would be "list > censors" directly. Anyway, censorship... intolerance... it begins to > resemble a lot that old ECHELON 'thing'... > > Is this in any way related to the fact that healthcare business and its > related IT branch being among the top 5 business activities in the whole > world? > > >
