I agree with Adrian that this is probably the result of spam filtration. A USA company, Viagraphics, has experienced an almost complete filtering of its email.
Dan On Mon, 2004-01-05 at 18:11, Andrew Ho wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > I am not sure why some/all messages from Antas are not being > successfully published to the OpenHealth list. He is a subscriber and > receives messages from the List. Before jumping to the conclusion that he > is being singled-out for censorship, I am forwarding his message to the > list (with his prior permission). > Hopefully this problem can be fixed - because I know he wants to > contribute to our discussions and I know we can all benefit from his > membership in our community! > Certainly, if censorship is really going on, we all need to know and > make the necessary repairs in order to protect our community. On the other > hand, if this is due to an unintended technical glitch, then we must > protect the good reputation of the OpenHealth List by removing this > mis-understanding. > > Best regards, > > Andrew > --- > Andrew P. Ho, M.D. > Assistant Clinical Professor, Department of Psychiatry > Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, UCLA > OIO: Open Infrastructure for Outcomes > www.TxOutcome.Org > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 00:04:42 +0000 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: Andrew Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > Open Health List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Minoru's openhealth-list censored? > > Andrew Ho wrote: > > > Could you kindly send or post to a public web-site your messages that > > are known to have been censored by OpenHealth list admin? I am interested > > in reading what you and your colleagues have written. > > Thank you for your quick response. A couple of the affected messages are > being attached to the end of this email. This very email is being both > CCed and sent directly to the openhealth list > > > Are you able to receive messages from the OpenHealth list? > > Yes. Every email address registered at openhealth-list at > minoru-development.com is receiving (all) the list emails. That includes > those addresses that are being censored and from which that list does not > accept email feedback. > > We are also able to post to the list through other email addresses. But > these are low profile email addresses until now not identified as Care2x > Project related. > > You may even reproduce it if you have access to the inner workings of an > mail server. Just try this: create an email; change its header 'from' or > 'reply-to fields' to include, for instance, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' or > '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; change its 'to' field to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]; save it and let your mail server > process it; wait a couple of hours/days... and you will have it back as > 'Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender'. > > The process of being censored out is reproducible. It seems that all > what is needed is some evidence based criticism to, at least, two well > identified members that are among the top 10 most active participants of > that list. > > I just imagine this in a reviewing board of one of our craft magazines... > Perhaps this is a strange mind kind peer reviewing technique... quite > medieval thing, but it could be... in Portugal we had the 'holy > inquisition'... We are preparing some topics, for LinuxMedNews, about > Minoru's openhealth list not-so-open attitude... If Minoru does not, or is > not able to, maintain quality control over their email list reviewers and > maintainers, they should not actively market it as open and free (as in > freedom). Something for the fair trade commission? They at least deserve > all the attention that we will be able to gather. > > > Thanks for bringing this matter to my attention. > > You are welcome. > > Best Regards, > > J. Antas > > --- MESSAGE 1 ------------------------------------- > > Nandalal Gunaratne wrote: > > > I have been studying/developing/improving a project called Open > Infrastructure for Outcomes > > We think that the OIO concept is simple and clever and we are following > that project. We already offered our efforts to Andrew Ho in order to > make it compatible with Care2x > > > We have developed it now into a Knoppix based EMR system > > We were following that also and we are trying to do the same > > > I knew of one such system - VistA. I was ignorant? > > I still believe that the Vista Project is the most perfect, robust and > well tested system available (open sourced or not). > What we needed was a kind of modern, preferable non-US, Vista software. > And we started doing just that... > > That is why Care2x is web based, platform independent, made with pretty > standard and widely known and used languages (php and javascript: almost > all web sites are using those languages). > > Where Vista needs its own user interface Care2x uses the widely > available web paradigm, i.e., any of the available web browsers. > > Where Vista uses its own language and database management system > (M and M based DBMS) Care2x uses the above mentioned languages and most > of the currently available DBMS (open source or commercial). And there > is nothing special about that as all what we have done was to use the > third party already available ADOdb DBMS abstraction layer library, > which does its own job of dealing with most DBMS, be it MSSQL, > postgresSQL, Oracle, IBM DB2, or whatever. > > Where Vista needs its own data transport protocol Care2x uses plain and > simple HTTPS (done with OpenSSH and SSH libs) over TCP/IP. > > Care2x uses the well tested Apache web server to serve its contents, and > so on... > > Sure we are graphically more intuitive. Sure we are more user friendly, > but that's only because we are using the same current technologies that > are being used today to develop any web site. It is written any where > that a good HIS must be boringly text based or graphically badly done. > > We have more then a handful of developers... that must surely be related > to the fact that we are using widely used paradigm and easy to use > software tools so that almost everybody that has already done any work > to the web will also be able to help us. > > And last we do not enter endless "what standard is better" like what > anglosaxons tend to favor. > > > > --- MESSAGE 2 ------------------------------------- > > Wayne Wilson wrote: > > >> I agree. Indeed i received an email saying myemails to the list as > of some others were being censored? > > > > .../... I don't know of any censoring on this list and if there has > been I would like to know about it! > > .../... We have been most blessed on this list by not having the > kinds of personal attacks that cause list moderators to censor and thus > create firestorms of free speech controversies. To the best of my > knowledge there is not a moderated list. Any problems with messages are > probably mail system problems or technical list problems. > > > SOME OF THE MESSAGES TO THE OPENHEALTH-LIST ARE BEING CENSORED. > > It is not related to particular mail system problems nor technical list > problems. > It seems to be related with specific e-mail addresses and e-mail subjects. > It seems that it is not related to any of the List Usage Guidelines > policy, nor were any of the affected users even warned of any guidelines > transgression. > > I am asking fellow colleagues to help further monitoring this. We will > provide full logs and concrete examples of this behavior by private > emailing specific members of the openhealth-list. > > Of course we will be avoiding to directly email the would be "list > censors" directly. Anyway, censorship... intolerance... it begins to > resemble a lot that old ECHELON 'thing'... > > Is this in any way related to the fact that healthcare business and its > related IT branch being among the top 5 business activities in the whole > world? > >
